No, "BOAZ-David", they are playing the 'god card' because they realise that a disproportionate number of the swinging voters, who can't decide between 'Tweedledum' and 'Tweedledee' at election time, are 'sheep' of the Christian 'flock'.

I note that you're bagging the Greens again with no substance at all to suuport your statements. Will you provide evidence derived from Greens policies to support your derision, or shall we conclude that this is just another example of your belligerent prejudice?

The fact that the major parties are trying to outdo each other in appeasing the lunatic fringe of Christianity is exactly what drives many of us to parties like the Greens, that actually have rational and sustainable policies and an ethical base that is not for sale.

Garra, comments like 'lunatic fringe' are not exactly conducive to you being taken seriously, and are more reflective of the mentality of the Greens which I DO have serious prejudice against, (guilty as charged). They are led be a homosexual, and that alone is enough for me to have no respect for them at all. They may have some policy initiatives which after realistic modification might even be helpful, but I question the foundation on which they exist, which appears to be an atheistice moral relativity, where Bob Brown will go screaming and yelling if you try to restrain the flood of XXX rated porn from ACT going to the rest of the states which have BANNED them. So, not only does the leader live a behavior which is abominable in Gods sight (no apology for that 'quote') he also insists that we be subject to the availability of pornography which is illegal to be sold in our states. (exCEPT via mail order from ACT) but I'm lobbying the Libs and others to put a stop to that quick smart when they have power in the senate.
Sorry Garra, no compromise on this stuff.

"BOAZ-David" may not identify himself as part of the Christian lunatic fringe, but his statements above certainly identify him as part of its homophobic and ignorant underbelly. Rather than lazily repeating erroneous scuttlebutt derived from the tabloid media or radio shock jocks, he could simply go to http://www.greens.org.au/ and acquaint himself with the actual policies of the Greens. However, I've noticed that "BOAZ" is not overly inclined to let facts interfere with his belief system.

With respect to his outrageously homophobic comments about Bob Brown, I suggest that anybody who would reject an entire political party and its policies on the basis of its leader's sexuality is the one with a credibility problem. Just as well there's no gays in the major parties, and no gay Christians, eh?

Garra.. not bad, almost up there with some of Pericles more insightful moments :) and literary flares.

I've looked at greens policies around the time of the last election.

But I'm flat out like a streamrolled lizard drinking now saving the national economy ... I like to think... so I can't go into too much detail.

As for my 'homophobic' blah blah.... its not a credibility problem to those who share my views and there are many !
Our values are enduring and based on Scripture, as Moses asked the people at Sinai "Choose this day who you will follow" Joshua among others said "As for me and my house, we will follow the Lord".

If you looked at the whole of what I said, I also mentioned Bob Browns defending of xxx rated Porn from the ACT. That is just a symptom of the deeper problem as I see it with them.

Anyway, keep up the 'smiting' of my views and me, it gives me good stimulation to think and reflect more, and I do hope that I become more Christlike as a result, heaven knows I need it.

blessings

Yes, i think I'm going to have to stick up for you now David. It is important to continue to put Christ's values forward. That's my point with Liberal and Labor. Actually, I quite like the values of Menzies, his freedoms, to speak, to worship, to be enterprising, etc. But I don't think Howard is like that. He stops his own politicians from speaking out, effectively reducing their right to freedom of speech. I don't like that. You know, Labor has many shared 'christian' values in its vision and mission (fairness, equality, compassion), and Labor used to be strongly grounded in catholicism, but unfortunately they've forgotten their 'christian base and foundation', but I sense that's coming back. I like One Nation and Family First, the Nationals are o.k, but Howards leash at the moment. On the Gay issue people, I think too many christians are not 'drawing' these people to Christ by their criticisms. People are drawn by the love and compassion of Christ, and remember Jesus died for the outcasts. So in that sense, it is precisely the people too many christians criticise, that Christ wants us most to love. Until next time, from WA.

Hi Teresa.
yes, your support is welcome. What u say about the shared Christian values in both parties is indeed true, and also about them having lost their way somewhat from those roots.

As with most things of a popular/large nature, there are always interests which seek to exploit and hijack them for their own agenda's and in this lies many of the ills of politics today.

On the gay issues, yes, some of us tend to be rather vociforous in our comments, I try to restrict mine to the fundamental issue and to directing my spleen against the organized politicized aspects of that movement rather than at the indivuduals, though I have little time for the likes of Bob Brown who seems to see it as his personal mission in life to advance homsexual issues in complete disregard for community feeling. I am adamantly against the sneaky revision of our childrens outlook by such examples as the Play school "My 2 mums" example. Its brainwashing or conditioning whichever way one looks at it, either 'ours' or 'theirs'..and I'd prefer ours :)

Have a nice day.