By the way, I forgot to mock your ridiculous assertions that:

(1) You claim Saddam's Iraq was growing in power and was a threat to the United states in some way.

This clearly false.

Iraq had been in terminal decline since the first gulf war - with the US, Britain and France no longer feeling the need to bolster Saddam's regime in order to punish Iran, and with the Soviet Union dead and no longer providing an alternative option for military and technical assistance, Iraq was effectively destroyed as a military power. The WMD programs Iraq had during the 1980's were dismantled and no longer existed by the turn of the century.

That was still the case when the invasion was launched.

(2) You claim that Saddam - a socialist, secular dictator who repressed fundamentalist Islamic movements within Iraq, was in league with the fundamentalist Islamic Al Qaeda organisation.

This is also false - Baathism and Al Qaeda are natural enemies - Saddam and his cronies would have nothing to gain by cooperating with those people as long as they remained in power.

Of course, now the US is occupying Iraq, they seem to be coming to the conclusion that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".


I think you've been reading too much neo-conservative (ie. fascist) nonsense - maybe you should check out "The Power of Nightmares" to get an idea of what is really going on:

http://biggav.blogspot.com/2004/12/power-of-nightmaressounds-like-this.html
http://biggav.blogspot.com/2005/01/power-of-nightmares-bbc-showed-power.html

If there is any mocking to be done, it should be me mocking your ridiculous assertion that Bush's America is the same as Breznev's USSR. There is no 2am doorknock by the secret police, no gulags and complete freedom of the press and expression in the US. A shade different from Comrade Toadface's country!

Re your later arguments. Although Saddam was a secularist, he contacted Osama after the 1991 war, [Hussan al-Turabi of the Sudanese National Islamic Front arranged the connection] and there were several contacts with Iraq Intelligence, including an explosives expert Brigadier Salim el-Ahmed with Intelligence Director Mani abd-al-Rashid al-Tikriti at Osama's Khartoum farm in 1995 and 1996.

Also I suggest you read David Kay's report to the House/Senate Intelligence Committees on October 2, 2003. www.cia.gov.cia/public_affairs/speeches/2003/david.kay or type david kay in Google.

I set out a lot of information on another site on Feb. 26 and 28 "Voters' bravery
gives Iraq a real sight of liberty".

I'm sorry I haven't the time to go through it all again on this site but maybe you are interested enough to take a look.

I suppose it must make some feel good if they can label anyone who does not agree with them.
Thus we see people who advocate Peace labeled as unpatriotic, anti-war, traitors etc.
People who advocate war are seldom labeled as anti-peace etc.
People who profit financially from war are seldom accused of being traitors and unpatriotic.
When we go to war we invent names to dehumanise the people against whom we are fighting. We call them slopes, rag heads, cloth heads etc. etc.
We invent words to prevent the public from getting a clear picture of what is being carried out in their name. Civilians who are killed "accidentally" are called collateral damage. Our leaders who lie are said to have mispoken. Body bags are now called "transfer tubes" and the dead are referred to as "living impaired". When a country has its infrastructure destroyed by bombing etc. it is said that the country is being reconstructed.

It should be remembered that the major wars are justified by untrue statements to justify the wars. This happened in the Spanish American war, WW1, WW2, Vietnam war and Gulf wars 1 and 2.

US marine Majopr General Smedley Butler (2 congressional medals of honour) wrote over 70 years ago "War is a Racket". He realised that for 35 years he had been fighting, not for freedom and democracy, but to make a few more millionaires back home.

Peace cannot be achieved by killing others and this has been proved over the last thousand years.
If the effort and expense of planning, preparing and waging war was devoted to planning, preparing and waging peace then we would have a good chance of enjoying peace.

Peace

Peace, If we hadn't fought Hitler,Mussolini and Tojo, you wouldn't be writing these posts. I don't know what lies you are talking about. Appeasement certainly didn't work, in fact made the Axis bolder.

War is a terrible thing - cruel, destructive and wasteful. But there IS something worse - To be conquered and enslaved by a cruel, sadistic enemy. Sometimes, to fight is the ONLY real choice.. Ask anyone who lived in Nazi occupied Europe or Japanese occupied Asia.

Big Al, I'm still laughing at you.

George "the smirking chimp" Bush is indeed old comrade toadface's twin brother - just as the Soviets tried to maintain their control of central asia's energy resources by invading afghanistan, monkey boy Bush is trying to maintain control of the world's major remaining fossil fuel resources by invading Iraq (and no doubt Iran and Syria in the near future). What do you think the 14 big US military bases being built in the Iraqi oil fields and along the pipelines are for ? The same reason there are US bases throughout the persian gulf - their (fascist) empire is dependent on them controlling oil - as it has been since the second world war ended.

At least before Bush and his neocon brownshirts seized power there were some signs that the US could be a force for good (even if it behaved atrociously in countries like Vietnam, Nicaragua, Chile etc etc). Those days are long gone.

You say there are no 2am knocks on the door in Bush's america - yet thats exactly what the Patriot act enabled.

You say they have no gulags - yet thats exactly what Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib, Bagram airbase and all the torture chambers that people subject to "rendition" are sent to are.

You say there is freedom of the press - yet they are assassinating journalists in Iraq who try to report the truth.

You are in complete denial of reality - and thats the reason why this latest experiment with totalitarianism will fail - just like the others did.

And by the way - revering a foreign leader (and a fascist one at that) is vaguely disgusting - why don't you read George Washington's farewell address to see what he thought of your kind.

BIGGAV.

You are a fool. Thank god that we've all recently voted in federal elections & have consigned your ilk to the irrelevance wastepaper basket.
We are at war. It's about time you woke up.