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America is doing it right in Iraq : Comments

By Alistair Campbell, published 28/2/2005

Alistair Campbell argues that the US was justified in invading Iraq and installing a democracy.

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Al,

I also find your aping of Bill "SHUT UP!" O'reilly's "out of respect for" line quite comical - you obviously think his disgusting treatment of the son of a victim of the September 11 attack on the world trade centre (http://www.politicalstrategy.org/archives/000953.php#953) to be something worthy of copying (which doesn't surprise me in the least).

Bill O'Reilly is a propagandist. This is well known and understood by all. He is also a buffoon, a thug and a pervert. Maybe you should learn a bit more about your hero before you hold him up as some sort of example - you are just opening yourself up to ridicule.

There is a great list of information about "SHUT UP!" O'Reilly here:
http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/billinfo.htm

Details of his sexual harrassment of one of the women who worked at Fox News can be found here (this guy really is a sicko - read the whole thing if you want to get an idea of what a twisted freak he is):
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mackris1.html
Posted by biggav, Tuesday, 29 March 2005 10:29:51 PM
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biggav,

1. Don't equate head-hacking barbarian cowards with American troops who were faced with a car which refused to obey instructions. For all they knew it could have been a suicide bomber. The fault is with the driver.

2. I already stated that if the US was stealing oil, France, Russia and other opponents of the war and every anti-American fruitcake on the planet would be all over the TV with it.

3 Your radical clergyman's 14 points. America is a capitalist country and those matters are part of capitalism, including some which are not in the best interests of the majority. That doesn't make them "Fascist". If you think the Bush Admisistration is an all-powerful Fascist regime, why can't it even save the life of an unfortunate woman being deliberately starved to death?

4. How can it be a Fascist government when there is another large political party operating freely? How come there is freedom of speech, the Press, assembly, worship, movement? How come people like Michael Moore, ranting and raving and twisting the truth are allowed to say what they like? He'd be locked up in a Fascist state. Then there's the legal system where the prosecution is hamstrung by obstacles protecting the rights of the accused.
Where are the political prisoners' camps [gulags] and the "KGB" police?
You wouldn't know a Fascist state if it bit you on the bum

5. I haven't heard of any soldiers being affected by depleted uranium so it doesn't seem to be a problem. However, our servicemen must be given the best equipmant and best support to give them the best chance of doing their job safely.

6. You have smeared Bill O'Reilly's name on the basis of a woman's complaint. There are 2 sides to every story, and I wonder why she didn't quit if she was so offended by him. Why not only stay there, but actually leave and then RETURN to work for O'Reilly again? Sounds like she's not fair dinkum and is trying to make a fast buck. It DOES happen you know!
Posted by Big Al 30, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 2:22:43 PM
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biggav, continuing on....
7. I say again, Bill O'Reilly gives all points of view a fair hearing. "Pravda" cerainly didn't do that. He even reads out e-mails attacking and abusing himself.! Pravda didn't do that, and neither to the best of my knowledge, does anyone on CNN or other networks.

8. You complain about "tricks of the trade". Do you imagine CNN or the other don't use tricks of the trade? No one is perfect and no organisation run by human beings can be perfect either.

9. You refer to the interview Bill did with the son of a victim of 9/11. The son was very provocative and was on for a fight and he got one . He wouldn't be the first person to have the plug pulled on him in a talk-back show.

10, Your idol Hunter S. Thompson sounds like a right real rabid ratbag. Is this where you get your flakey ideas?
Posted by Big Al 30, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 2:38:37 PM
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Al, as usual you've got it all wrong - just angrily repeating your opinions doesn't make them true.

You say:
"Don't equate head-hacking barbarian cowards with American troops who were faced with a car which refused to obey instructions. For all they knew it could have been a suicide bomber. The fault is with the driver."

1. Iraqi fighters who perform atrocities against civilians are no different to american troops who torture prisoners to death, bomb hospitals and assassinate journalists who are trying to report the truth from Iraq.

Anyone who commits these crimes should be tried and hung. Being american doesn't give you the right to slaughter civilians.

2. You clearly don't have a clue about what happened in the assassination attempt on the italian journalist - read this for the details - there was no roadblock, they were on a secure road and had passed through several checkpoints, the tank fired on the car from behind - it was simply murder (one of many examples of US forces killing or attempting to kill journalists):
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/25/1516242

Even Berlusconi has now seen sense and the Italians are withdrawing from Iraq - following the Spanish, Poles, Ukrainians, Dutch and all the other European countries who have realised the invasion was wrong.
Posted by biggav, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 10:43:38 PM
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Al, you also say, in complete contravention of reality:
"I already stated that if the US was stealing oil, France, Russia and other opponents of the war and every anti-American fruitcake on the planet would be all over the TV with it."

Actually everyone is saying exactly this (what on earth do you think all those "no blood for oil" signs at the anti-war demonstrations around the world were about) - I've already provided numerous references to this earlier, including one from a Russian intelligence officer - how many hundred would you like ? Sure its not on commercial TV - do you think the Fox "News" propaganda service is interested in telling anyone this ? (naturally it has been mentioned on real news services like the ABC and SBS, but I doubt you ever watch Tv stations that have a statutory obligation to tell their viewers the facts, rather than some right wing extremist opinion)

You also mentioned alaskan oil - the new ANWR fields that were opened up contain about 1 year's worth of US oil consumption - they make absolutely no meaningful difference to delaying the onset of oil shortages, given the time that it will take to start producing and the 20 year period extraction will occur over - this site contains some details (about half the way in):
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

Here's some more background on the US grab for Oil (hopefully you don't ignore this like you have all the other references I've provided you) - "Global Resource Wars - The Rosetta Stone" :
http://www.energybulletin.net/4894.html

How does that old saying go ? "There are none so blind as those who will not see"...
Posted by biggav, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 10:45:07 PM
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biggav, There is conflicting evidence about the case of the Italian car being fired on. There will certainly be a hearing over it, and we'll see how the cross examination goes.

As for your charge that the US is assassinating journalists, I find this hard to believe. Once again why aren't their editors, colleagues,governments and others [particularly America-haters] raising hell over it? Couldn't they be the victims of bullets and bombs from the terrorists? Could also be the result of being in the wrong place at the wrong time as journo's often are, taking the risk to get that story or that picture.

I remember one such case, where a sniper as firing on US troops from a building, and a journo was in the same building a floor or two below. They blasted the building and both got killed. The wrong place .....

Asfor the oil, your statement that it must be true because demonstrators with banners have blood fo roil" or similar on them doesn't carry any weight at all. Often these peple are organised by the International Socialists or whatever. They would say anything to attack America.

Also you say that you get your news from the ABC and SBS. They are both notoriously left-wing. You are supposed to be a right-winger. You completely dismiss 7, 9 and 10. I am sure that many if not most journo's are members or supporters of the ALP. Surely they would like to get something to clobber the Yanks, and by so doing, clobber John Howard? If you have all this information, why can't they get it and why don't they use it against America, and by association - Howard?

They cetainly grabbed and ran with the prisoner mistreatment scandal. Why not "the assassination of journalists by the US troops" and "America is stealing Iraq's oil"? Surely they would grab them with both hands! [As would Chirac, Putin, Iran and hosile Press generally].
Posted by Big Al 30, Friday, 1 April 2005 12:33:10 PM
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