Australia has been a society where all responsible races, religions and cultures have co-existed till now. Though Christianity has been the dominant moral values that have formed our laws it never sought to take away the right of an individual to a point of view on an alternate philosophy. We have a new ideology that cannot co-exist in a democracy that threatens all who will not submit to its shari'ah laws. They use the criminal element to disturb our moral tolerance, and dislodge a population to forge their ghettos within a suburb. No other religion uses the criminal element to threaten a local society with violence.

Kay
I checked that blog out.. your link. Dear, there isn't really 130 posters.. there is about that number of 'posts' but from what I can see they are all from about 5 people :) (now I'm one of them)

Strayan.

Please stop confusing the issue by attempting to draggggg it into some racial superiority thing which justifies your own position. REFER PHILO's post

ALCHEMIST
There is something very dark in your posts, so much distortion, or selection and improper emphasis, imbalance, and lack of serious scrutiny. Can you respond to my questions about what you observed in Sarawak which the 'evil missionaries' were doing ? I know there are some very whacky cults at work, including "The True Jesus" extremists, who went into a buddhist temple and smashed some idols.. but they were given a 'bye bye' by the government and rightly so.

Can we try... tryyyy.. to see the actual issues here ?

Let me repeat..

"Social Cohesian"
"Cultural compatability"
"Political Stability"

When it comes to Islamic would be immigrants, it is a 'yes/no' answer to each along with reasons for the choice.

Hi Philo and David B,

Yeh, xtians haven't realy hasseled the Aussies to much, I mean we have abortions pretty freely and are fine to cruise along the main streets in our F**CK jesus t-shirts. Infact its quiet normal to do so with out any fear of attack or reprisal, to wear a F**K allah t-shirt hmmm well anyone who tries to tell me that would peacefully accepted needs their head read.

Personally im an hardcore atheist,I also have green hair,am a ranting raving vego animal righter and a feindish bdsm head. I am gratefuly safe to be so in a xtian constucted legal system, which will protect and promote my right to be as such.

here is a survey from Indoneasia last year, its a huge population, highy Islamic these days, http://www.infid.be/radical_survey.htm#Intolerance%20Is%20Still%20High
this shows not many support total all out terrorism, but many DO support shaira law (legislating the Ideals of the Koran,)
this is really worth a read.

Cheer

My God meredith.. are u all those things ? :)

You funny girl.. "The Xtians haven't hassled the Aussies much".. grrrrr

I thought most Aussies (nominally at least) were Christians...

But your :
Vegen (frownsss....)
Atheist (Sends you off to the Gulag :)
Raving BDSM freak ? (hmmm )
Animal rights ist ? (now that's a bit dodgy)
-all the above I can handle.. but not the GREEEEN hair ? aaaargh...

Do you realize the turmoil you have put me in ? :) each of those issues above are all my 'pet subjects' which I delight in debating about, but to do so here would be a bit off da topic kinda...

I better not take you to Borneo, or show the pics of the wild pig being sliced and diced which was our munchies for about a week after drying,smoking and salting the sucker..

Mer.. vegetarianism just don't work where u live or die by the amount of protein you can scrounge from the jungle. But.. not now :)

But to respond to your point (an important one) about the treatment by Christians towards 'other's who may wear offensive T-Shirts etc.

It illustrates a very important point about the Faith. "We believe in Gods judgement, and insulting God or Christ harms no one except the person mouthing off" It might hurt our feelings, or sadden us, but we will still see it as coming from ignorance and unbelief, not as a personal attack. Till such a person draws their dying last breath, they have the opportunity of Grace and forgiveness.

But not after that. Its then that the 'wages' of sin are paid in full.

Keep up the energetic posts, at least we have common ground in protecting the freedoms we cherish. (even if your freedoms are a bit whacky to me :))

Hey David,

heeh yeh thats the thing tho isn't it, religion and law are seperate in the west, if this hadnt happened i would have been burnt as a witch, sadly still though for islam i still would be treated in some such manner, have you ever googled stonings in france...

secular and non secular are like oil and water ...... one will rise to the top.....

Debate is importent, its civil and sane... it'd be fun :P

Meredith we aren't defending Islam or the acts of its adherents, we are attacking the unfair, extreme and nonsensical approach that is being advocated by Stone and others. It is only logical to refuse immigrants that are incompatible with our society and to deal with local sources of extremism, but the extent of these is greatly overstated. Radicals are a tiny fraction of Muslims and Muslims in general aren't in any position to destroy our society or our values, and given the opportunity to assimilate (clearly someone at OLO wrote the title for this article) they are the ones whose values and culture would undergo significant change.

Yeah most come from socially backwards regions, and Christianity is the lesser of two evils here, but the solution to such intolerance and radicalism is not for our country to endorse the very same. (If we are going to adopt a social values test, then it must be in an manner that is carefully adapted and administered on an individual level.) The majority of Muslims don't want the end of Western civilisation and the remaining minority aren't going to get anywhere with their desires; some will become more liberal just by being present in our culture and any remaining conservative over-representation will pass in time.

As socially conservative as Islam is, it is not proper to link a few horrific attacks with the entire Muslim community (as some here have), when it can be attributed to a small & radical minority, low socio-economic status or permutations on normal jackassery. There are plenty of places in the West where Xians would react harshly against your t-shirt, or even just your hair. And it would actually be our cultural values, not the legal system that protects you, since blasphemy, abortion and S&M are unfortunately still technically illegal in most of Australia. The vegan/animal rights stuff is more of a sub thing, but there are some evident domme traits so I'd guess you're a switch