Hey Ash, hope you didn't get sunburned ;-)

Now BD, I have altered the following excerpt from your post - hopefully you will have enough intelligence to determine why.

"David, I fully understand that you have grown up with Christianity, and that your sincere heart wishes to find no fault in it, because of your culture and upbringing. But an outsider looking at the full picture can see just one thing." That you are completely blind to and intolerant of the views of others. That you are on a 'crusade' to promote christianity as THE perfect religion and to completely demonise any other religions - currently Islam.

You are so insulting to other people - how many times do you have to be told that there is good and bad in ALL religions. Please, please stop this rant - you only make yourself look like an intolerant fool and you further the cause of any extremists.

BTW the topic is about John Howard's meeting with a limited range of representatives of Islam. Just so you know. You seem to lose the plot so easily.

Hi Kactuz. You ask me for my views on torture? I’ve been involved with torture and trauma survivors for years, including many from the Middle East, and Muslims from all over the world.

These are the people I mix with, they just want to get on with their lives. They are no threat to anyone.

“The authority of the Bible is not as appears to be in your mind Rob. You seem to suggest that you are expecting 100% unambiguous, literal statements about every area of life. In terms of culture and language this is not possible for any faith. Time changes meanings.
The authority to which we appeal, is that God in his providential wisdom has communicated His will and person to us in Christ. It is clearly a step of faith.”

Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 9:46:07 AM
The Forum > Article Comments > Nutbags, McCarthyism and western Muslims

“Rob, the events of Joshua, and all references to judgements in the Old testament, must be read in full context, historical and theological, and I hope you will go back and start at Genesis, and then go right through to the end of Deuteronomy. Then keep going to Revelation :)

Try to enter into the feeling of the life in those days, the mood, the cultural and historical ethnic/tribal atmosphere. See how humanity progessed from 'So and so the son of .... who then became a tribe then a country/nation…..

Suffice to say, NO ONE who applies sound principles of understanding, that they would apply to every day life today, would ever think of using those events in any other way than to point to the specific judgement of God for particular reasons at a particular time, or, the defense of a nation. Extrapolating from those events to 'general principles, currently applicable' is just a no brainer, no legs, does not happen….”

Posted by BOAZ_David, Friday, 15 July 2005 1:12:56 PM
The Forum > Article Comments > Nutbags, McCarthyism and western Muslims

Now, just from these two quotes, it seems that BD, you can put a spin on what was read from your Bible, but you take literal interpretations from the Qu’ran. How is it remotely balanced to do this? As usual, you show your bias, narrow minded view of the world outside of your religion. Try arguing in a reasoned and balanced light for a change.

BD,

Not sure why every comment bring you to try and compare prophets (I don’t have this luxury cause I love Jesus and Mohamed equally).

First, in the Abrahamic religions polygamy was allowed to Abraham before anyone else (Take “Hagar as a wife” that is the Old Testament not the Quran).

Second, polygamy is not relevant to prophethood, Solomon was a king and prophet and so was David, according to your story, Lot was polygamous…with his own daughters..

Third, your typical ‘by the book’ missionary user manual argument: run away from the Quran and use a questionable hadith: a reference that is neither divine nor accurate in most cases. Hadith is regarded as good stories about the prophet collected 200 years later. Whatever conflicts the Quran is regraded as untrue but Muslims don’t have the filtration layer that you have. Early days of Christianity the church banned more than sixty bibles, imagine if they were still floating until today!

As for your denial that Islam became a religion and a fast growing one, you are far behind the rest of the world BD. The US and even parts of Europe moved on from the Judeo-Christian exclusive slogan and replaced it with the Abraham religions. Hope you will get there. Its 2005 now, denial preceeds acceptance according to Microsoft Bill Gates!.

Last on your assumptions: I didn’t grow up with “Islamic culture” and tradition but in the French Catholic De La Salle College in Cairo. I even used to play volley ball in the nearby church and listen to jokes about muslims all day.

BTW, Don’t you find it shameful for your ‘tolerance’ that the Quran states that good Christians (5: 155-177) can go to heaven while you guys claim exclusivity to it?...hmmm…

Hi Xena,

I got sunburnt actually and I didn’t notice but it was worth every ‘ouch’. The beach was great and had lots of fun with family and friends.

Cheers,

The religious, “I'm right, your wrong, my god is best, your god is worse, our understanding and implementation of our religious fantasies are right, your religious illusions are wrong.”

But you all still worship the same god. Really rational thinking with this lot.

The most common point within all posts by the religious, is that none of them every answer something that actually challenges their fallacies. All they can do is descend into scripture, by pass the question or disappear for a while.

Could it be that religion is unsustainable when faced with factual reality.

Could it be that unless the religious have psychological power and control over the populance, their beliefs are totally worthless and lose there relevance. If not, then why must they besiege us with the crap that history always shows us, leads only to violence

Could it be that the natural disasters that are starting to effect the countries of the dominant religious factions are messages from their god, (the creator of all) expressing his joy at the work they are doing within his creation. If so, it is so sad for those that are not at fault.

Why do the religions express their desire for equality and racial acceptance, then provide practices and examples that are the opposite.

There is no equality in Islam, or christianity, their practices belie that. Christians believe in patriarchy, you only have to read their posts to see that.

Muslims believe in the suppression of women and the destruction of all other social ways in preference to their own

In all forums, threads and posts, I have yet to read of one Muslim that class themselves as an Australian muslim and not a muslim Australian. A lot of christians are the same, christianity and its demands first, their country second. Great example, The USA, we all see where the Christian religious right have their priorities, in Iraq, not there own country and people. Even though Iraq has been invaded by their enemy, chritianity, the are still turning against themselves.

Yep, the religious sure have their acts together haven't they.

We will soon realise what Islam is about in Australia as Kurt Kennedy registers his new Political Party in the ACT "The Best Allah Party" and then into other States. His policy is to take control of the Senate and introduce Qur'anic laws in Australia. He stated that Bin Larden is a good Muslim, it will be interesting to see how and if moderate Muslims will rally behind this attempt at grabbing power to introduce Shari'ah. John Howard now has a(serpent)I meant subtle rival, for his place. Arabic Christians who fled the Middle East because of Islamic persecution are insensed by this move, and are speaking out.