Nick I,
Any Muslim who downs a beer and steak at an Aussie friend's barbi has no problem assimilating. His halel adherence to his religion is not an issue, unless it is sublimated merely to win and deceive his friend.

The extremity of you mind is born out in expressions like this: "Oh, of course, in your succint, black and white world, Muslim's don't moderate, don't enjoy life, they exist only to kill non-muslims."

Your support of Mamdouh Habib indicates you agenda to undermine Australian cultural values of gainful employment, and truthfulness.

BD, I don't for a second question your sources. On the contrary I think it is quite impressive. I just think it is unfortunate that your postings come across as an overwhelming negative of adherents to Islam (It's just the impression you give, that's how I'm reading it). You have a problem with Islam, as stated by you, but I don't understand the lack of scope for Muslims to know what is right and wrong, despite what Mohammad's history entails.

Philo - I don't support anyone. I believe in justice though and the fundamental idea of innocent until proven guilty, which was clearly overlooked in Mamdouh Habib's case. Secondly, don't avoid the topic by picking on an inconsequential comment like that, when I would rather discuss your hypocritic nature. Once you've clarified that, then I will be more than happy to talk about Australian Values and how they don't exist in Australia anymore.

:)

Yes Nick, I see your point, most of what I post in an Islamic related threads is indeed negative. Bear in mind, I'm not negative towards "Muslims" as I think my interaction with Fellow Human should demonstrate.

I suppose in some ways I'm always reacting to the incredible stifling of free speech which I see in Islamic forums.. have a peek at a few and you will see that the slightest negative or questioning comment about Mohamed is seen as defacto 'evil' and worthy of banning.
You can also gain an insight into how Islam is clearly regarded as a Political/social/legal/religous entity. Verrrrry scary stuff.

One I read yesterday even looked at how the questions were couched.

<<"I'm sensing that some questions are only meant to mock our faith">>

i.e. you canNOT question Mohamed or Islam in any Islamic forum, you can only ask questions based on the assumption of the pre-eminence and truth of Islam. How much MORE would they enforce this if they held government ? (or enough political clout to make deals)

That is the very problem with Islam, once it is in power, that mentality will be enforced by legal means as well as religious, and this is why I am absolutely passionate about the Catch the Fire case, they tried it there too, which is why the Danny's are willing to be Jailed over this issue.

Dear BD,

On your last comment, people react differently to criticism of their faith (you are an angel compare to people I bumped into before).
Again this is culture related and not religion driven. Likely you will get the same reaction if you critisize a middle eastern christian or jew if you dare to question the Trinity or the God given land beliefs!.

AK

BOAZ_David and Fellow_Human

You both crack me up!

I think that you are both good blokes = even if I do not share your beliefs.

Cheers
Kay

BD, Philo & co.
2 points. First how can Islam be the problem & not individual muslims? Do not individual muslims comprise Islam in this country? If you answer something like "oh when they get in power their religion would dictate that they do this or that foul thing" then how can they be good? If you're saying that muslims would, when directed by their religion perform evil acts, then you are saying muslims are evil. So enough of this nonsense of muslims good but Islam bad.
Second Gobbels was diabolicly inspired in his propaganda. He used this as his guiding principle. When we speak of an evil act performed by an individual belonging to a group we hate then that act says something about the group [i.e. the group is evil, twisted, etc]. But if one of our people does the exact same thing that person is just an individual, not even a true Aryan & his act says NOTHING about the group.
Now let's compare what BD, Philo & co say. A muslim kills people, well that just shows us how evil Islam or muslims as a group are. But a christian kills people, well that christian was just a crackpot, a fanatic, not a true christian. just a lone individual. His act says NOTHING bad about christians or christianity. Sounds frighteningly similar to Gobbels' guiding principle doesn't it?