Shodowminister, Your claiming that no one believes a word of what I have said here just shows you are one of those have been so brainwashed by the endlessly repeated western mainstream narrative on Ukraine that you do not want to even look at, let alone consider any information that indicates details may be wrong. Then note after I pointed out that the US based veteranstoday.com website has been regularly posting detailed updates on Ukrainian situation , reaction of some was just to condemn the site overall. Is important to remember that regarding news from sources you overall strongly disagree with overall editorial preferences on, there often may be straightforward useful information and also opinions on some issues you happen to agree with. Then regarding ones you don't, can make you a more informed critic. Name calling responses against someone pointing out something you do not like is a common response by those who know they cannot put up logical arguments to support what they would like to believe.

Hey Mox,

'Name calling responses against someone pointing out something you do not like is a common response by those who know they cannot put up logical arguments to support what they would like to believe.'

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Hi JaninaS

I watched the video. Thanks. It confirmed all I'd learned previously. Ukraine has a very complex history. Yes, it switched sides often ... yes it's political landscape was very diverse and at odds in so many ways. Also many of it's nationalists had multiple agendas.

I'd only say, Yelensky appears to be genuine. Time will tell. I'll have an open mind. Let's see how he treats the abandoned and immobile leaderless Russian Army troops in Northern Ukraine.

Proudly, I have no uni training. I dropped out within months of starting 50 years ago as I resented and rejected being taught what to think. Proudly I was taught, prior to that, to read critically by my mother. I have read most of the great Western literature, as well as the Russians, (modern and classic. Leskov is a favourite), the Chinese, Indian and Middle Eastern. I've read back to Gilgarmesh as well as the ancient Egyptians from 2350BC. My journey is one of nearly 55 years. I started serious guided reading around 15.

I have found uni educated trained in professional roles and sadly not educated to think. Having said that, I have found many are intellectual but the vast majority are not. They are mostly our 'managerial elites'. Biden and his democrats are the epitome.

I appreciated your input.

Dear Mox,

I noticed that you don't like or trust the Americans: well neither do I, but any connection with America is completely incidental - this war is about Europe and Australia being attacked by two monsters and fighting for our lives.

If the unreliable Americans choose to help us, then all the better for we cannot afford to refuse, but otherwise we still have to be strong and stand ourselves for our freedom.

It is not that side-story of Ukrainian affiliation with the US that matters (if that's indeed the case, I think that Ukrainians feel more affiliated with Europe): what matters most is that the indisputable fact that Ukrainians still control Kiev over a month after such a massive attack, that bravery of the Ukrainian people, is the sole reason why carefully-watching Xi may abstain from invading, first Taiwan then Japan and Australia, thus why we, yourself included, stand a chance to remain alive and free.

I don't know you personally, including even whether or not you care for your and/or your family's life and freedom, but I do care and right now these brave Ukrainians, who may or may not be affiliated with America, also happen to be saving our lives. I salute them gratefully!

Thank you Janina.

One thing missing from the documentary was mention of the Holodomor. It was a terror inflicted by Stalin in the Ukranians for wanting autonomy and killed several million. It might be part of the reason for the Ukranians not embracing the Russian invaders.

You have heard of the Holodomor haven't you Janina? Why do you think it was absent from the documentary? I would have thought that Ukranians would remember the Holodomor like Jews would remember the Holocaust. Does the fact that Stalin was Georgian absolve Russia?

Mox,

I don't take anything at face value, but there are a few issues for which there is overwhelming evidence:

1 The pretext for Russia's invasion is a sham. Ukraine is not in any way a Nazi regime nor is it holding Ukrainians hostage.
2 Russia is indiscriminately bombarding civilian areas which is a war crime.
3 Russia's main thrust was against Kyiv which has been a dismal failure. The claim that the Donbas region was the prime objective is farcical.
4 Russia's casualties and loss of tanks vehicles and aircraft are extensive.
5 The story from Russian media is heavily censored and mostly clearly wrong.

Re issues shadowminister claims there is "overwhelming evidence" of, is more like overwhelming propaganda by the likes of the Western mainstream media which many people have been brainwashed to believe. Those who check details elsewhere often draw different conclusions on important aspects of what has been going on. Regarding Russian military thrust around Kyiv, is a good limited tactical measure for intended purposes. The main Russian aim is to help locals remove Ukrainian forces from Donbass area and permanently stop aggression there. Taking control of some areas around Kyiv has resulted in Ukrainians diverting considerable resources away from Donbass to defend it. Russian presence is also helpful for finding out about and disabling facilities and resources that are among backup the Ukrainian military needs. Russians and local militias can then get an army that is short of eg food, fuel and ammo out of Donbass with less difficulty and casualties than a well resourced one.