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Should NATO enter the Russian-Ukrainian fray? : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 25/3/2022

It is hard to describe the excruciatingly painful destruction Putin is inflicting on Ukraine.

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Dear Janina,

" The USSR was a blood-stained regime
In which millions were murdered as a daily routine
Might is Right was their slogan of choice
Dissenting cries were not given a voice

History has written of the many disposed
The frozen infernos have now been exposed
Putin and Stalin are two of a kind
Yet some in the West to this are still blind

Putin like Stalin will take what he wants
He will kill and destroy those who fight in response
The world can't allow this rampage of terror
Not protecting Ukraine would be a huge error

First, the Ukraine, then Romania
Followed by Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania
Do we want the USSR re-instated
Ruling Eastern Europe unabated?

The world must unite and be fully aware
That this is a battle that we all need to share
Putin must be stopped in his tracks
Otherwise no sovereign nation can truly relax."
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 10:15:13 AM
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"The world must unite and be fully aware
That this is a battle that we all need to share
Putin must be stopped in his tracks
Otherwise no sovereign nation can truly relax"

So are you advocating that the west/NATO/the USA actually fight in Ukraine? If not, how do you propose that Putin "be stopped in his tracks"?

I see lots of assertions that Putin must be opposed/defeated/stopped. But when it comes to concrete proposals....crickets.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 10:50:54 AM
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mhaze,

It's the Russian people that have to decide what
sort of nation they want to have - and the only way to do
it is to have a major revolution. By the people and for
the people. With that in mind -

I've made it quite clear in my many posts on this subject
that - hit Putin where it hurts - go after the money.
So impose more sanctions and hit them where it hurts.
If the economy goes to shyte - the people will react.

Heard this morning that the Russians are shelling "major
military targets," such as - schools, hospitals, shopping
centres, housing, apartment buildings, churches.
It must be amazing living in Russia under Putin - and buy
the crap he's selling.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 1:02:36 PM
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Foxy,

Hitting them where it really hurts is to stop buying Russian Oil and Gas.

Tell me which Western/European have supported this, but still buy?

All of them.

Why don't you do something about that?

Here is what you could do.

Rather than the ineffective generalised calling the world 'to unite and hit them where it hurts', simply lobby the cowardly socialist western/european governments to stop buying the Russian oil and gas.

Go on, start a campaign n against them. Tell them you wont vote for them if they refuse to do this.

I'll help.

Pretty simple really.
Posted by imajulianutter, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 1:55:08 PM
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Mox,

That concentrating on the Donbas would be a better strategy is true. However, with the majority of Russian forces tied down near Kyiv, there is very little left for the Donbas where the Ukrainians are beginning to make progress. Using the majority of your forces for a diversion would seem to be somewhat contradictory.

There have been so many anti-tank missiles sent to the Ukrainian army that there are about 10 anti-tank missiles for each Russian tank and just about every man and his dog has one, which explains why the roads are littered with the burnt-out husks of tanks and vehicles.
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 2:14:20 PM
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The obvious main objective of Putin and associates is to remove areas of Eastern Ukraine where local people do not want it from Ukrainian government control. Is doubtful they want to stay in other parts of the country after guarantee of hostilities permanently ceasing. Would probably regard this as a costly "can of worms". Enough of a challenge keeping the present Russian Federation with all its ethnic groups together. Is naive to think bullying including with sanctions will make any significant difference to Russian policy regarding Ukraine. Looks like sanctions will hurt some of the countries imposing them more. In some respects Russia can become more self sufficient and /or increase trade with the many countries that do not try sanctioning them. Then regarding hoping there will be a major revolution that will depose Putin: Do a search about popularity of him and the current administration in Russia. Apparently lately both over 75% approval rating by Russian people. Then remember approval of a predecessor. Boris Yeltsin, who became a stooge that western powers loved apparently was down to 3% before he was got rid of. Re Russia supposedly deliberately hitting civilian targets, western media will usually not tell the full story and /or peddle half truths and lies. eg Regarding hospital in Mariupol. Patients and staff had apparently been recently moved out and Azov battalion was making it a military headquarters and facility. Seems plenty of other examples where precision strikes have been made on military targets in urban areas when hopefully will be no or minimal civilian casualties. Also, note how close examination of some publicised photos of supposed Ukrainian successes and Russian atrocities have been exposed as fakes.
Posted by mox, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 2:27:24 PM
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