'dead horse' box.

Mox,

The main objective originally was not just Eastern Ukraine. That it is now is because the main Russian force sent to take Kyiv and Kharkiv. have been badly beaten and are still essential locked down around Kyiv.

As for the Donbas region, the only indication that they want to secede from Ukraine is from the Russian forces that invaded it.

Shadowminister is one who has been brainwashed by the Ukrainian and western government propaganda and do not seem to want to know about the other sides of the story. Especially the backgrounds. Now how about checking news and views from the Donetsk Republic, one of the two so called "rebel" areas of Eastern Ukraine who with Russian help are now making progress getting rid if Ukrainian military that has been trying to retake their areas by force for the last 8 years with regular artillery and rocket attacks. See www.dan-news.info/en for a start. Then should have a look at Russian and "alternative" western news sources as well.

'dead horse, Mox'

Today, I've seen reports of Ukrainian rocket attacks on Russian soil and that two Russian border towns have been evacuated ... in the north.

Today, I've seen reports of Ukrainian success in the south.

sadly all are via Western , up to the minute,' boots on the ground', media.

It is fair and reasonable you do not trust these sources.

In fairness can you supply the sources of the Russian reports and their view, of these claims, so I can judge for myself.

Thankyou

IJN

I think you were right about the speed of defeat of the Russians. I hope that the Ukrainians are of a capacity to drive back Russian forces in the East. It is tragic to see what war criminal Putin's army of terror has done.

Fester and others believing latest propaganda that the Russians have been defeated reminds me of a recent story about a cartoon circulating lately in Russia. Apparently depicts a couple of Russian soldiers in Washington DC and caption something like "We are losing the propaganda war." Worth noting that in the past, countries that have tried to invade Russia have usually later had Russian troops marching through their capital cities. For those who may not know where to start looking for info on current Ukrainian situation that is not largely Ukrainian and western government propaganda, some websites to start with. They often have articles from and links to other sites. Have previously mentioned the US based www.veteranstoday.com Check it out and judge articles on their own merits. Obviously "powers that be" do not like some stuff it publishes and try to discourage people from even looking at it. Claim is pro Kremlin, antisemitic and pushes conspiracy theories. (The latter are often worth examining. Sometimes are basically truths that some people want kept hidden.) Note www.rt.com and associated www.sputnik.com based in Russian Federation give overall more even handed coverage than most Western news sources. Lately the US and UK governments have stopped their broadcast programs. Blatantly censoring organisations inclined to publish embarrassing truths they don't like. Lately, getting onto these sites is sometimes slowed by DDoS guard coming up. Directed Denial of Service is programmed large numbers of phony users trying to log onto the site to make it difficult for those genuinely trying to access it. Other sites to check for updates include www.moonofalabama.org. and www.consortiumnews.com. Another which often has interesting and informative articles is www.thesaker.is . Run by a presently US based author using server in Iceland. Which would make it more difficult for those in USA including authorities who dislike it to hack or shut it down. For "daily writings about the End of Illusions" by an Australian author, see www.caitlinjohnstone.com . Then site run by former US politician and presidential candidate www.ronpaulinstitute.org . Another small site run by an experienced "insider" in the US is www.paulcraigroberts.org