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Ukraine’s disposable men: exposing the latest feminist hypocrisy : Comments

By Bettina Arndt, published 18/3/2022

How come the life of this young father is considered expendable whilst most fit, capable Ukrainian women are being hastily shipped off, out of harm's way?

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mhaze

<< Somehow you’ve convinced yourself that conscription in Russia is okey-dokey but conscription in Ukraine is a crime. I won’t even try to unravel that ‘logic’. >>

I'm not in favour of any conscription, but there are definite differences between these two examples.

Russia's twelve months conscription to military training is able to be taken at any point between the ages of 18 and 27 and as such can be made to fit around work, study and family commitments. And for most, this training won't involve active service. It's a very different situation to that of being immediately conscripted into active killing, as those trying to leave Ukraine have been. These men are separated from their families; most are poorly trained and equipped and many have no animosity toward the soldiers they’re expected to kill.

So yes, I concede your point, and would never support any form of conscription, but there are definite differences between the two situations here. And to simplistically conflate them as you have is incorrect.
Posted by Bronwyn, Sunday, 20 March 2022 11:49:46 PM
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It was a stupid mistake to block men of ages 18-60 from leaving Ukraine.
Keeping people in, men or women, who don't want to be there is not only morally wrong, but also hurts the morale of the others.

Still, this is not the WORST crime.

No man is actually forced to carry weapons.
Even when forced to stay in the country, they can still bury themselves deep in bomb shelters, or go to rural areas, or they can keep essential services going, they can work in hospitals, treating the wounded, or in fire brigades, or even just bake bread and deliver food and medicines to the besieged elderly, even just take care of the pets that others left behind.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 20 March 2022 11:56:56 PM
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mhaze

<< What I have shown however is that the Ukrainian neo-Nazis have very little influence … >>

You are wrong. Neo-nazis have enormous influence in Ukraine - in the military, the government and throughout the country.

"Azov it should be noted is not some fringe group within the Ukraine, but is supported at the highest levels of the Ukrainian government.”

And that's only one group of many.

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2021/07/29/our-mission-is-to-lead-the-white-races-of-the-world-in-a-final-crusadeagainst-semite-led-untermenschen-subhumans

There are many international human rights groups who've called out the neo-Nazi presence in Ukraine, including Amnesty International, the UN Office of the High Commissioner on Human Rights, the Special Rapporteur on extra-judicial executions and the London-based Center for Countering Digital Hate.

There are neo-Nazi groups listed from many different countries, but there’s no mention of Russia. If 50% of the world’s neo-Nazis really did reside in Russia, as you claim, then I think it would have rated a mention.

https://www.thecitizen.co.tz/tanzania/oped/the-uncomfortable-truth-about-radical-ideologies-in-ukraine-3751460

<< … whereas the Russia neo-Nazis for an integral part of Putin international enforcement team. >>

You need to provide evidence that the Wagner Group is indeed a neo-Nazi group. I know the group exists and I know Putin has deployed them in various parts of the world and quite possibly in Ukraine too. I don’t like it, but then again, I don’t like the huge numbers of private mercenaries paid for by the West and what they get up to either, not to mention many in our own SAS. The world is awash with these testosterone-charged and often angry militants, many of whom don't seem answerable to anyone. It's a sad state of affairs, but one I'm afraid we're stuck with.

And BTW, the reason I’ve engaged with you in the past is that you were able to present an argument without resort to personal insult. If that changes, I won’t waste my time.
Posted by Bronwyn, Monday, 21 March 2022 12:30:31 AM
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Hey

Who is Zelensky's deputy?

An armed woman bis the Leadership bunker in Kyiv.

Really, a true equal, and probably a parent too.
Posted by imajulianutter, Monday, 21 March 2022 5:37:46 PM
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Alan b

Read Freuds article on Oedipus complex. You'll find it intellectually challenging.
His view is homosexuality is not inherited, it is learned behaviour ...like paedophillia.
Posted by imajulianutter, Monday, 21 March 2022 5:51:21 PM
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hey

how many women in leadership positions in Russia?

How many Russian oligahs are women.

How many Russian women are in the military?

Is bindness inherited or learned behaviour?
Posted by imajulianutter, Monday, 21 March 2022 5:56:29 PM
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