'Our'.'We'. It's 'them', the tinpot dictators - politicians and unelected public servants who couldn't make it in the medical profession you should be talking to.

Prof. Patrick McGorry, the recognised authority on youth suicide in Australia, has pointed out that the number of suicides in Australia has barely risen in 2019-2020 compared to 2018-2019, by something like only 1 %. Get a grip.

Joe

Loudmouth,

I reached my post limit yesterday and couldn't respond to your suggestion that I would like to shoot Muslim children. What a creep you really are.

No, it's not courage we need nor human sacrifice at the altar of commercialism, Mannon.

What we need is commonsense and millions of the, manufactured under licence, Israeli Saliva test that is 95% accurate and delivers a positive or negative result in mere seconds?

If we started tomorrow, we'd have hundreds available in days, thousands in weeks, millions in a month or two. [Can't? Why? What or whom prevents it?]

I'd want popup labs/converted caravans, at ever border, airport or transport terminal, Supermarket or public amenity/sportsground etc. And everyone passing through any of them, subject to a mandatory test.

Those refusing assumed infected and immediately arrested/quarantined offshore, unless they have an immediate change of heart!

Those testing positive, required to accompany an officer to a similar offshore situation!

I mean, this virus is transmitted by infected humans, often Asymptomatic!

However, they are not contagious forever! And can return to their homes, workplaces, a week or two after three co-confirming Saliva and blood tests, say they're definitely negative!

With that done everything and I do mean everything, can be reopened and back to business as usual.

Currently, the test we use and rely on takes days! And allows contagious folk to continue spreading a killer virus for several days!

And requires a very forceful nasal swab that is pushed hard enough up, to make one wonder, is it a nasal swab or a brain scrap that is required?

And the probable reason many folk are choosing not to be tested?

However, if all that was required was a spitball in a jar? Who'd refuse?
Alan B.

This Patrick McGorry Joe? Not what he was saying earlier this month. https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/covid-19-lockdown-fuels-mental-health-crisis-20200805-p55irg

Dear GrahamY,

The author wrote;

“Our fears are undermining our mental health. The lockdowns have brought about mass unemployment and social distancing, leaving everyone lonely and isolated. These conditions can be lifelong – and they can cut lives short. Calls to suicide hotlines have increased. Unemployed people are generally at least twice as likely to commit suicide. As the lockdowns continue, more people will take their own lives out of desperation. Lockdowns are killing people by isolating them.”

Aren't you one of those who would never let a model get in the way of facts on the ground? One who condemns the type of fearmongering exhibited above?

Here are the actual figures in a State which has experienced the severest of lockdowns of any other.

“Lifeline received 1000 daily calls from Victorians for the first time ever this week, but there has been no increase in the number of people dying by suicide during the coronavirus pandemic.

State Coroner John Cain on Thursday released fresh data on the number of suicide deaths between January 1 and August 26, showing there were two fewer suicides in Victoria compared with the same time last year.

Between January 1 and August 26, 466 Victorians took their own lives.

This was broadly consistent with the same period last year, when 468 Victorians died by suicide, and in 2018, when 461 Victorians took their own lives in the eight months to August 26.

The numbers are higher than the same period in 2016, when there were 420 suicides.

The findings contradict widespread assumptions that the number of suicides had been higher this year under the pressures of COVID-19 lockdowns, anxiety about the pandemic, job losses and financial insecurity.”

http://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/no-increase-to-victorian-suicide-rate-during-covid-19-pandemic-20200827-p55pr9.html

What we need is the courage to stay the course rather than listen to beat-up artists.

We do have sound COVID policies at the moment to protect those of us who do not want to get the virus.

There is only one element missing:

For those who are desperate enough to truly believe that prevention is worse than the virus itself, there should be the option of getting the virus instead.

They should be able to go on Covid-Camps to catch the virus.
"Camp" does not necessarily mean a literal camp, but any setting where they are totally isolated from all those who do not wish to catch the virus. This includes having their own health/medical facilities and/or arrangements.

Once they were cleared of the virus by the most rigorous medical criteria and whatever items they took to the camp are professionally disinfected, they can come back and be exempted from all personal restrictions.

Attending such camps must be absolutely voluntary and pressuring anyone to go on such a camp should be a serious criminal offense.

thanks Vladimir . Never before have we allowed cowardly Premiers, the lying liberal media and overpaid bureacrats to take our freedoms for so little benefit. First we were told it was to flatten the curve, then we were told masks are unhelpful, then we were allowed 10 at a funeral, then we were told tens of thousands of blm's protestors were immune from spreading Covid, then we banned Hydroxychloroquine for politcal reasons though many studies showed it could save lives, then we stopped allowing people to travel 30 kilometres to get to a hospital because the virus knows where the border is. As I have said from day one Morrison doing a deal with these power hungry dictators was his biggest mistake. And lets not forget where the harshest lockdowns have been have produced the most deaths. Wake up Australia.

Hi Runner,

I'm happy with what Premier Marshall here in SA and Premier Gutwein in Tasmania are doing, i.e. enforcing hard borders. The harder the restrictions now, the earlier an effective relaxation can begin. Give it a month or so with no (or a manageable number of) community transmissions.

In fact, the only premier who seems to be demanding an easing of border controls is Gladys Berejiklian. I like her, but she may be the odd person out here. Once she gets community transmissions down, ......

Premiers have responsibilities to do the best - as they see it - to protect the interests of the people in their States. I wish I could vote for all of them, even Gladys ;)

Joe

Just be very thankful we don`t have the orange headed fool in charge.
What is it now, 6.3 + million cases and 191000 deaths?

'What is it now, 6.3 + million cases and 191000 deaths?'

yeah certainly does not help when you have incompetent democrat mayors sending covid into nursing homes, fools calling Trump racist for stopping flights from China and racist/marxist democrat mayors cheering on looting, murder and dummy spitting. And lets not forget the invitations to Chinese new year parties by leading democrats. Trump has done remarkably well taking all that in especially seen the 'experts' said 2 million deaths. Oh well the lying liberal left media will need to find another way to cheat when it comes to the election. Fools or those who are deceitful will continue with the Russia hoax, sorry Ukraine hoax, sorry the China virus, sorry the Trump virus. That is what tds does to people.

Runner,

I think - correct me if I'm wrong - that mayors and governors of Democratic states were transferring people to old people's homes way back in about March and April. But not for a few months now. It's now September. Are they still doing that ? Yes ? No ?

So, overall, in any particular country, who is responsible for major policy ? Here, it would be the Prime Minister in consultation with the premiers and Chief Ministers. In the US, it is probably the President, in consultation with the Governors, who in turn, have to consult the mayors of major cities. Strangely, in both countries, the lower level of government seems to be tougher than the so-called higher levels.

So responsibility for those 190,000 deaths in the US would ultimately rest with, perhaps, the President ? Who says that it will all go away, like magic, it'll all go away. It's no worse than the flu. Anyway, it'll all be gone by Easter. And anyway, just take some disinfectant (it works to kills germs, after all ?) or shine a strong light up your arse. Anyway, don't believe those health 'experts', what do they know ?

And anyway, we'll have a vaccine before November 3rd, come hell or bloody high water, by Christ we will, even with shortened testing, the election is hanging on it.

I love a circus ! When's your act, Runner ? Are you the clown that gets a pie in the face ? Or a backward kick up the arse from a bloke in a mule's suit ? So funny !

Joe

'So responsibility for those 190,000 deaths in the US would ultimately rest with, perhaps, the President'

actually I would say China first Joe but then again your tds would not allow you to consider that. Secondly I would say the New York Mayors whose tds also led to masses of deaths. The Republican run States seem to have done much better. Anything outside of Trump's fault is conspiracy theory eh Joe! But you can carry on your silly little campaign. Hatred does that to you. It seems you are less confident of the coming election as you continue to leave off the number of days in contrast to previous rants.

Hi Runner,

Thank you so much for reminding me: here in Australia, we are now only 61 days away from the Presidential election on Nov 3 (US time) when the vUS wakes up and ditches Trumpf.

Currently, around 900-1,000 people are dying each day from the virus which Trumpf said would be gone by Easter. About 187,000 have now died - or the equivalent of all of the deaths of about 62 9/11s. Sixty two 9/11s.

At that rate, of 900 dying each day for the next 62 days, or another 56,000 Americans dying before their time thanks to Trumpf's incompetence and callousness, that will total at least 240,000 people, and possibly a quarter of a million. I could be very wrong, but that may well be more deaths than all of the American troops killed during the Second world War.

A total of eighty 9/11s. So how do you think history will judge Trumpf ?

Thanks again for reminding me to keep up with Trumpf's rapidly-changing death toll.

Cheers,

Joe

A total of eighty 9/11s. So how do you think history will judge Trumpf ?

as someone who is a regressive and suffering tds Joe , I am sure you will join the lying swamp, the lying liberal media and simply rewrite history to your lying narrative. I mean you have even praised Obama recently. If you can rewrite history regarding such a recent corrupt regime nothing would surprise me.

Not only governments impose restrictions because of the virus, allowed to run rampant the virus itself would cause its own panic and the populace would react with a self imposed "lockdown". The difference between the two is the government response is based on medical evidence and is generally an efficiently controlled reaction which minimises deaths, by minimising the spread of the virus and therefore the human and economic impact. Some people will suffer mental anguish because of restrictions, although as Joe has rightly pointed out there is little evidence of that. Governments have recognised there is an economic cost as well, but to their credit our governments have acted to minimise the economic fall out. The notation that allowing the virus to run free, people would simply carry on regardless is nonsense.

What motivates some on the conservative side of politics to be anti restriction is not the human cost of the virus but the death of the almighty dollar. They are not concerned that mostly redundant economic units in the form of worn out old people die, but the fact their bottom line is being impacted. I have news for them, allow the virus to run rampant and there will be no bottom line, just a cardboard coffin in its place.

When the usual crackpots can't think of a good argument, they always say, in their childish manner, "But, it's not as bad as such and such", as if that excuses the disaster caused by Morrison and the unconstitutional 'national cabinet'.

In this discussion, the "such and such" is America and Donald Trump. Well, Trump's polling on the way up again, and Morrison's is on the way down. Suck it up, crackpots.

The irresponsible state governments are bringing about the end of Australia as it has been since 1901. Morrison should work up the courage to put a stop to it, starting with the ridiculous and unconstitutional national "cabinet". The Federal government has the money, therefore the power. Daggy, amateurish state governments need to be brought to heel - preferably abolished.

People who are carrying a killer virus can't be allowed to go on spreading it far and wide! There can be no voluntary decision to quarantine oneself, then remember I forgot to get some milk or bread or the iced vovos?

Then cross half a state just to fill the order! Drive past check points at speed, to deliver illicit drugs/get a supply/pay off Mr Big, who always seems to be untouchable? But will want the borders reopened ASAP along with the cashflow from illicit drugs!

When we had madatory quarantining as a response to the Spanish flu pandemic, we got on top of it and killed it off! And the way forward with any killer virus! At least until we get an effective vaccine!

A test that gives results in seconds ought to be deployed at every entery and exit point and at bridges vehicles cannot drive around!

With effective testing and tracing deployed, we can get back to business as usual, albeit with social distancing, hand hygine and medical masks still the new norm!

After that we need to spend on shovel ready infrastructure. Until all the ablebodied are gainfully employed!

And some of them will bitch, moan and complain about having to work hard at physical labour, live in tempory boot camps, and live a thousand miles from home for up to six or so months!

Because that will be what is required to do really big, bold, infrastructure projects!

And we will need to roll out several to build a big enough economy to #1/ make the debt just dissappear, #2/ leave something behind that the next generaion can utilise for the debt burden and workload they're expected to carry!

Massive social housing, An east coast VLT, an inland shipping canal that changes our climate forever! Waste burning MSR's Deionisation dialysis desalination. And millions of hectares under salt, drought and frost tolerant native wisteria, for the oil and high protien stock feed it produces, better than all the rest, along with that legumes ability to fix nitrogen into the soil.
Alan B.

I find you idiots depressing. Nature will have her way. The same proportion of people will get the virus everywhere and the same proportion will die from it! All the lying politicians and medico's will not stop this it will just take longer but obviously not as long as the economic effects of this madness.
Did you know the Flu in 1918 killed proportionally more black (Is this the way we are supposed to say it today? Perhaps one of you SJW can tell an old bloke?) people? Another irrelevant fact of life I expect to be given a run soon.
I think we need to view the true figures which are being hidden from us but wait till you start losing your money and then you will certainly look at it differently.
Enjoy your prison serfs and your faces will be a picture when you realise your political mates are going to do you all in along with me. However at least I can say I did not want or enjoy it whereas you have to grin and bear it!

Well I was so impressed by Herr Andrews and his Gestapo cracking down on the poor and not intellectual sort of people like this. You would have thought he considered them as his primary base but no, off to the camps with them. You weaklings can hide under your beds and wet yourself but you will find when you grow up that there is more to leadership. The dearth of it in Australia is a real worry but eventually common sense will prevail.
When the facts come in you will have to cringe and go back under the bed whilst Andrews will not only be collecting his fat pension but a million a year from some Chinese Company owned by so called communists. Revel in your victory, gloat and feel superior but they will be coming for you next!
Read 1984 again and see where all this came from and how you identify with his fat neighbour. He ended up in a labour camp remember. Also stop calling yourself Australians you besmirch the word!

Dear Jbowyer,

You write;

“Did you know the Flu in 1918 killed proportionally more black (Is this the way we are supposed to say it today? Perhaps one of you SJW can tell an old bloke?) people?”

No it didn't. Why is that you right wing apologists just never seem to be able to get a single fact straight? This is what happened during the 1918 pandemic;

Quotes

Philadelphia Tribune wrote that in West Philadelphia, “hundreds are lying now at the point of death, colored and white” but added, “There seems to be more influenza and deaths among white people than the colored people.”

The Chicago Department of Health in its analysis of the influenza epidemic concluded, “The colored race was more immune than the white.”

Dr. W.H. Frost of the U.S. Public Health Service reported that in seven localities with substantial black populations, their incidence rates were lower than white people's even after adjusting for sex and age.

A January 1919 editorial in the Journal of the National Medical Association pointed to data from the Philadelphia Board of Health that showed that between September 20 and November 8, 11,875 white people died from influenza and pneumonia and 812 black people died. The editorial called the racial differences “interesting” because the death rates of African Americans in the city were “normally much higher than that of the white.”

An additional study analyzing the influenza rates between black and white soldiers concluded that African Americans were not as susceptible to the disease when they lived under good hygienic conditions.

End quotes.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2862340/

I don't know which cesspool you lot are pluck these tropes from but it is getting embarrassing.

Please stop.

Thanks, Sr.

Many people have died in developing countries from this virus, but to be honest, I thought there would be many more, that the virus would be completely out of control in those countries, and in Indigenous communities here. Of course, that still might happen.

But I wonder if hard lives actually help people to build up their immunity, that getting flu etc. when they are young provides some resistance to later viruses.

In other words, that fairy-floss snowflakes and wealthier people who run to the doctor when they slightly stub their toe or have a runny nose, don't build up immunity to viruses like poorer people may do. Perhaps poorer people develop some form of herd immunity much more easily than well-off people ?

Just a thought :)

Only 61 days, our time, until the Covid election. I anticipate that Trumpf will show amazing imagination in blocking people from voting against his corrupt and incompetent rule, including incitement of violent groups. By November 3rd, by the way, Covid deaths could exceed a quarter of a million in the US.

And, Ttbn, around a thousand across Australia. Keep the lockdowns, I say, until the virus is suppressed sufficiently to be under control. Of course, it may never be eradicated, that's a pipe-dream, but suppression is better - will allow the easing of restrictions earlier - than laissez-faire.

Joe

Quite a lot of people who would normally not seek employment nor vote Conservative, have done better under some of the present schemes than they'd normally do.
Those who have traditionally struggled are still struggling !

Twenty more anti-lockdown protestors arrested in Melbourne (Little Bejing) today. They should have been carrying BLM placards, which provide immunity in the People's Republic of Victoria.

SR I suggest you read with your eyes not your prejudice. I was talking about the 1918 Flu and it most certainly did affect Africans and African Americans. Read "The Great Influenza" very good book. You privileged little prince, "Please stop"? No mate you may think your more important and smarter but you are not. Whilst jackboot Danny is attacking the people he thinks are his inferiors and people like you back him we will continue to give you what you give out! Our economy and the lives of thousands have been trashed by people like you but you will soon be blaming everyone else and chop suey man will be off to the big job in China! So give it a rest and no need for me to implore your deaf arse!

Ttbn,

As usual, I agree with you that the BLM protesters shouldn't have been allowed to congregate. And I'm sure you would similarly agree with me that anti-lockdown protesters should congregate, for the same reasons.

The sooner everybody works together to minimise the spread of this virus - don't even think of eliminating it - the sooner all of the restrictions can be relaxed - for everybody.

So strong borders, masks, social distance, and going out only for essentials.

Almost all governments across Australia, Labour and Coalition, agree with that strategy.

Joe

I'm watching the footage of the protest at this moment. I can't believe how stupid some of them are. Unconstitutional was one silly git's yelp. I wonder if the Virus is aware of the Australian Constitution ?

Dear Jbowyer,

Mate, how did you know it is my birthday? You really are a gift that keeps on giving.

I was referring to the 1918 pandemic you dolt.

And yes it did affect Africans and African Americans but that isn't what you asserted in your original post was it my ocularly challenged minion.

You claimed “Did you know the Flu in 1918 killed proportionally more black ... people?”

It didn't, in fact the reverse is true.

I provided evidence from the 1918 pandemic which you failed to read and comprehend.

Did you want to have another crack at this or are you going to finally figure out it is a bit beyond you?

Having said all that I know I'm laying it on a bit thick but I endevour to use the tone people set in their posts to reply. Perhaps in future you could dial it back. Taking some heat out of conversations like this might serve us all better.

Individual a virus has no ears, eyes, brain or heart. In this case it is a spiral of RNA in a protein envelope. However your fellow Australian have the aforementioned attributes plus memory! Our constitution said no internal borders so you are plain wrong.
The virus will flare up again as soon as borders with the outside world are lifted. A lot of the world is back to business as usual and we will all soon look like the idiots you are. The virus will only kill the very old as pneumonia has before. Sorry none of us live forever and Andrews actually brought in assisted suicide. Of course all hospitals are ensuring old people have do not resusitate before you start squawking about death. You and your mate have made a cure ten times worse than the disease, well done!

JBoyer,
Could you try & post again, with some sense this time please ?
If it's only the Virus from outside Australia then why do we still record new infections every day here ?

' A lot of the world is back to business as usual and we will all soon look like the idiots you are.'

not soon JBowyer. We have been foolish from the start. Seven deaths in Taiwan with next to no masks and no lockdowns. Obviously the marxist and fools don't want to know.

No.

Victorians have proven they can't be trusted to manage their situation.
They've proven to the rest of us the lockdowns are necessary when they selfishly disregard the restrictions;
Oppose and protest when they have hundreds of new cases per day,
And try to flee to other states to escape the mess they've made in their own.

I don't want to go back through your article and nitpick it.
But let me say this, and I mean it wholeheartedly.

If COVID-19 spreads to QLD because of you idiots in Victoria:
Let's say hypothetically my parents, friends and family get COVID and die because you were chucking a tantrum like a little kid because someone dared to tell you you can't do something and no-ones ever told you no before;

Lets say my mum dies because you idiots can't follow the rules.
I would rather that we dropped a nuclear bomb right on your house TODAY.

Rather than me and my family pay because you can't follow the rules, I'd prefer they turn Melbourne into ash.
I'd prefer the government drop a nuclear bomb on Melbourne and vaporise you and everyone you know and care about in the blink of an eye, rather than my family have to pay because you 'tanty-boy' refused to follow the rules.

Your wife, kids, Mum, Dad, friends, rellies, in-laws, pets, work colleagues, everyone and everything you know, gone without a second thought.
Ash in the wind and your entire state levelled.

Sorry you were unable to manage your situation down south, sad to see you go...
I'd see it as cutting an arm off to save the rest.
Do you get it?

What makes you think ANY of those people matter to me more than my own family and people in my safe state?

I don't give a crap about your liberty -
- If it's at the expense of mine, my families, and the rest of the people in my states liberty.

We don't have lockdowns, we're not living in hell like you.
- And I hope it stays that way.

Storm troopers in Victoria throwing people to the ground on bitumen roads, & you think we will soon look like idiots!

That is the last of our worries. The world now knows we have a communistic ratbag ruling Victoria, & his storm troopers would prefer to attack peaceful citizens, but won't touch BLM rioters breaking the same law, & will not under any circumstances control African street gangs.

Tens of thousands are fleeing California, under similar ratbag rule, & similar numbers will be fleeing Victoria, if ever it becomes safe to allow them into a decent state.

[Cont.]
Truthfully, the only issue that even gets a passing interest from me is this:

Today: 'Victoria records 76 new COVID cases and 11 deaths'

I'm sorry the police had to start shooting at you.
But maybe they should've done it sooner, Dan's been way too nice for my liking.

Keep at it, you'll get there,
That's all I can say.

Alternatively go out and protest if you want.
I might get to see the cops violently take you down.
- And that's the type of reality TV that you just can't fake.

Beats the Bachelor and all that other sad crap hands down.

Scott Morrison needs to resign or man up and stop funding these Premiers to carry out their marxist control. Thousands more small business's down the toilet while not one person sucking on the public purse out of pocket. The National Cabinet had been a total failure. Good to see people starting to push back on the Police state. No surprise they were treated like criminals unlike the marxist antifa blm's thugs who were cheered on the the Premiers.

You know I supported the right out of default.
The left are a bunch of absolute nutcases.

More and more I see the flaws on the right.
I see some of the Sky News segments pop up on my Youtube feed.

What an absolute bunch of idiots.
This moron is screaming at the camera that it's against the federal constitution to have borders shut.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut2bA48ASrw

A large percentage of people are suffering serious mental health issues.

Victorian Lockdown Derangement Syndrome.

Does this dummy actually think Queenslanders WANT the borders open?

Hey idiot, newsflash we don't want the borders open.
Maybe a few Coolangatta coffee shops and tourism operators,
Other than that, the vast majority of people in QLD want the border shut.

Both sides of politics have completely lost touch with the real world.

76 cases a day to beat.
But no, people losing their minds have got to run around with no mask and organise protests.
And then it's a 'national day of shame' because some stupid woman got herself arrested.
Don't you all realise it would've been all over now, if not FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELVES that didn't want to wear the burden of this great multicultural cesspool of filth called Melbourne?

Do you think we don't watch the news?

Hundreds of you people just out doing whatever they wanted every time they checked.

Oh, it's immigrants fault.
It's the governments fault.
It's China's fault.
It's young peoples fault.
It's old peoples fault.

No sympathy from me.
Take a look in the mirror.
Stop blaming others, you ALL did it to yourselves.

Instead of blaming others, look what you did yourselves.
I blame the country's current and future economic problems on Victorians.

No need to worry about our border.
- Because as far as I'm concerned none of you are welcome here.

Go back and clean up your own mess.
Don't run away from it you bloody cowards.
We don't want you here, don't be foolish enough to think we do.

Oh, it's immigrants fault.
It's the governments fault.
It's China's fault.
It's young peoples fault.
It's old peoples fault.

Armchair Critic,
Yes !

"This moron is screaming at the camera that it's against the federal constitution to have borders shut."

And, so it is. What is someone who doesn't know this: a sub-moron, perhaps.

" … we don't want the borders open". 'We' being who, exactly? People who don't understand how the economy works and relies on the interchange of goods and people. The real morons and idiots who won't talk about the massive success of Taiwan, where there were no lockdowns, masks, destruction of the economy. All this yabber about relativism and racism, yet when an Asian country is the one only to get it right, there's silence.

You want to call people morons? Go for Scott Morrison and the State premiers who have completely abrogated their duties to public servants who have opted for safe government jobs because they were no good and playing doctors and providing their own living.

Australian politicians are enjoying the power and fear of the virus as much as their Communist counterparts who provided it.

I've got the solution! I call it the SOOT MORRISON APPROACH.

Just pretend there is no WuFlu pandemic. On a certain date and time determined by Soot we all just start acting as if the WuFlu doesn't exist.

Everybody gets up in the morning and gets dressed and goes off to school, work, etc.

No more restrictions: Everyone has a crowds are good mentality.

State and international borders are fully open. Virgin and QANTAS go back to flying in tens of thousands of people from China, India, Middle East, America, etc. each day.

No more 14 days quarantine for incoming people.

Definitely get rid of the face masks and don't even mention the idea of developing a vaccine. "Vaccine? Vaccine for what?" will be the catch cry.

And if things don't go the way Soot wants then Soot accepts responsibility and resigns.

When do we start?

The Taiwanese, Japnese, Koreans and Chinese live in extreme congestion and as a rule, wear masks when they get a cold/flu.

Their success rate attributable to social cohesion/social compliance! The practice of routinely worn masks, social distancing/hand-hygiene!

This killer virus is spread by non-compliant folk! By those whose employment is the most precarious,i.e., those folk who cannot afford under any circumstance to take one sick day, let alone a whole fortnight!

If we did not foster poverty as official policy! We could have done as well as Taiwan or Japan, which does not officially sanction poverty! But effectively mitigates against it.

We need to prosper our own rather than replace them with imported cheap labour just to keep a lid on non-existant wages growth!

The only way we can do that is by adopting free-market, private enterprise, cooperative capitalism. Rather than giving tax breaks to tax-avoiding, price-gouging, profit-repatriating, foreign multinationals/debt-laden foreign-investors.

AND IN ECONOMIC TERMS A RELATIVELY SHORT TERM, ECONOMIC SUGAR HIT!

Understand three things, this virus will never ever be under control here until we have an effective, safe vaccine/mandated inoculation! Those refusing sent to offshore quarantine until they volunteer! On the understanding that this pandemic is spread and respread by infected humans, most of who will show no symptoms, i.e., be Asymptomatic!

That the economy is tanking/heading for a disaster/cliff and Depression!

The only private enterprise, free-market business model to survive the Great Depression largely intact, was the co-op!

Also understand that governments can borrow at half the rate of private enterprise, only need to break even! Are not tied to executive bonuses or shareholder dividends, where most of the much vaunted tax breaks will manifest?

This money, billions would serve us better in building eternally delayed infrastructure/and or supporting new officially sponsored and supported Employee owned and controlled co-ops!

The latter insuring that the normal economic flow on factors makes one dollar do the work of seven or more and that that money stays in OUR economy until exhausted!
Alan B.

Alan B.,

Would you support the Soot Morrison Approach I outlined above?

If you had a simple Salia test that gives results in seconds,is 95% acurate and we do have such test! The Isaeli Saliva test.

And given it was mandatory,deployed at every border, sports stadium and supermarket entry points. We'd be able to open up completely as soon as it was deployed in the prescribed manner!

Then all the drug addicts/drug pusher claiming mental breakdowns, could recover their normal composure/customary addition/cash flow?

That is if the test did not include an equally mandatory test at the same spots for all who cross, for all the illict drugs you could have in your system?

Those not wanting to be tested? Could just stay at home and have a withdrawal asited, mental breakdown? Or, get-- on-- a-- methadone-- program-- or-- some-- such? Even--if--it--slows-- you-- down-- somewhat? And I know you know what I mean!
Alan B.

Alan B.,

You are missing the point.

Under the Soot Morrison Approach the WuFlu pandemic no longer exists.

As Soot will tell you: "It's good for Australia, it's good for jobs."

So stop talking about border closures, face masks, restrictions, etc. and get yourself out there and put the Soot Morrison Approach into practice.

If things don't work out then Soot simply resigns.

Saliva tests? There's a lot of saliva being sprayed around here by the usual ranters.

ttbn,

Are you on board with the Soot Morrison Approach?

Yes Mr Opinion, I would!

Particularly when I know there is a Saliva test that is 95% accurate and produces an on the spot negative or positive result in mere seconds!

And knowing that, that it is not being produced and deployed here ASAP! As he sits on his ass, talks up a storm and picks political fights as his best, blame-shifting tactic? Supports the market, shareholders and executive salaries with a flawed formula! Rather than the discretionary spend!

Which would do a far better job of supporting a service economy and a now fledgling manufacturing sector, still on its knees, crippling by, price-gouged, selectively cherry-picked energy provision that effectively rules out the cleanest, cheapest, safest energy! Energy that would massively resusitate and build amnew our manufacturing sector!

And maybe the conservative dismantled, cooperative capitalism that once served, the now emptied out, bush so well!

Which arguably, is in Scomo's area of responsibility, control and funding!

He could just pick up a phone and have a licence to manufacture it, the Israeli Saliva test and the formula tomorrow. And lift the self-imposed prohibition on this or that energy provision paradigm! Via Executive order?

And some saliva tests rolled out in a few hot spots ( Melb. high rises) before full production ramps up.

Which should see all our production labs fully funded, fully staffed and workingaround the clock 24/7, until we have millions of test kits available and deployed to catch and test as widely as possible. Schools, hospitals, supermarkets' entry and exit points. All state borders, airports, transport terminals etc.

And with that done? Enable the economy to get up of it's knees, the borders reopened and the economy back at maximised activity ASAP!
Cheers, Alan B.

ttbn. You should know, given you and your ignorance personified,far-right ilk/coal lobby, are producing and spraying the overwhelming bulk of it.

You'll have a nice day now, y'hear.
Alan B.

And with that done?
Alan B,
Let's see how COVID-19 reacts to your simplistic academic suggestion ! I already know the voters will keep fighting each other thus preventing any hope of a solution !
As the average Bogan, educated or not, won't volunteer to absorb discipline & respect it'll need to be forced into them-via a Non-military national Service !
No NS, only bare minimum welfare for three months for 18-20 year old unemployed !
Do what I hear you say ? Well, I say start digging that canal to Lake Eyre !

SR using newspapers as a source? Idiot yourself! The flu landed in Sierra Leone at the coaling station and hammered the local population. Same in other locations but you only see prejudice never knowledge.
This is just the common cold corona virus. First time round there would be some deaths but people die every day anyway. The fact is the bulk of Australian deaths have been in the frail aged population the people who pneumonia usually take out. We cannot live forever and around 430 deaths a day from natural causes are the usual. Deaths this year are less than last year but the economy is now in its death throes. All you old commo's will be rejoicing but the replacement will really give you something to grizzle about!

Oh Lord, save us from the pig ignorant for they know not what they crap on about.

Dear Jbowyer,

The quotes came directly from a paper written by Vanessa Northington Gamble, MD, PhD and published in the journal Public Health Report.

The paper was robustly sourced with over 80 references.

But you would have known all this if you had just taken a moment to click the link I provided. I will give it once again.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2862340/

Come on mate you have been pulled up for talking rubbish and you should be man enough to say 'Yep, I was wrong' and move on.

The truth about Taiwan ttbn, is they had a really bad experience from H1N1 or whatever it was years back, and they learned from it.
So when COVID happened, they acted immediately, to protect themselves from what had happened previously.
They didn't wait for it to officially be recognised as a pandemic, they acted straight away and the people and government both knew the potential danger because they'd been through it before.

And all you people saying we need herd immunity.
That would be good if it wasn't a man-made virus developed as a bioweapon.

If this was the measles, mumps or chicken pox etc.
- I'd be going to the party with all the other kids to deliberately catch it.
But it isn't any of those diseases.

I didn't get a shot for any of those medical conditions.
I had mumps, I had measles and I had chicken pox and have natural immunity to all of them, without a shot of who-bloody-knows-what.

What if this virus is not supposed to kill you but just make you sick?
You know the way in war (what do you think a bioweapon is for) that it's better to injure someone than kill them because it takes up more resources to look after the injured person?

What if it's not supposed to kill you, but just make you sick forever?
Anyone got official stats on those whom had COVID-19 and ongoing health issues?

SR read what I said dopey drawers. You will excuse me if I am not impressed by some half arsed medical bint! Because of people like that we are in this pickle. Medico's have particular knowledge but less wisdom than most people, You can squeal and lick the doctors and I will add up one and one and make two, OK?
Today the economy is now officially a catastrophe and its not looking promising for tomorrow.