Ashbo, I am also at a loss in not being able to explain myself on my rejection of queers. I can only say that I know this SSM thing is wrong, if only because where it has been adopted it has caused enormous damage to that society and it's moral, ethical, religious beliefs.

Not-Now.Soon, if it is any consolation, apparently I am a bigoted, homophobic, racist and so on you get the pic. So don't concern yourself.

If we listen to people we don't know, how do we react to criticisms from those we do.

I take stock in the knowledge that I am only human and as such can only function to the best of my personal ability. Anyone expecting more is being unrealistic.

About queers and the death of serious offenders, I stand by my comments because they are based on sound reason and not just emotion.

Banjo, nor am I accusing you of any wrong doing. My comment even though badly worded, has to do with Australia's beginnings of white colonial settlement.

The real majority of the first 'white' Australians were criminals.
The 'sub-culture' you refer to has nothing to do with anything you wrote but everything to do with the fact that Aussie's have criminal blood in them.

Like the abo's, they may be 1/16th cast and trying to pass themselves off as abo's by suggesting that they, (can't think of the word right now) shall we say 'feel' abo. Therefore they decide they are abo.

In total rejection of the other 15 non abo people who make up his blood line. It's a joke.

I do not see you as anything but an OK guy so I absolutely don't see you involved with the sub cultures you mention. If I am being honest, being of Italian descent, I think I am more likely to fit that mould than you ever will or have.

So no, I'm the bad guy here and I accept my lot. I don't know what I wrote to give you that impression. Mia culpa, for which I appologise without hesitation.

Ashbo, on your 'death penalty question, one would have to consider the amount of pain and suffering the accused has caused and the number of people involved.

It become a question of quantity and quality. If both these questions return a high percentage results on both counts then we must commit. There is NO doubt as to how bad this person is.

I would use the 'greater good' test. Why do we have plea bargaining, because we let the little fish go in hope of catching the big ones.

Once you start demonstrating a total disregard for a fellow humans life, you have signed your death warrant. Remember, we did nothing it all comes back to him.

The idea of rehabilitation is a Nancy's folly and the number of success stories are too, too few to even consider relevant.

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You ask :

« So, do you carry out the death penalty, knowing there is a possibility you are wrong? Or do you choose to avoid this possibility by not having the death penalty? »
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If you don’t mind, I think the question should be formulated as follows :

« Does the court of justice order that the death penalty be applied, knowing there is a possibility that the accused may be innocent? Or should the court not dispose of a death penalty? »

The question is grave and must be given serious consideration. Justice is the instrument of the political regime it serves. Australia being a modern democracy, we are fortunate in having what may be considered one of the most impartial and efficient justice systems available in the world today. But justice it not just limited to the courts. It is a tentacular organisation which extends out of the courtroom to numerous outside services.

It depends on the quality and impartiality, not only of the judiciary, but also of the independent service providers, in the research and analysis of evidence and the provision of so-called expert opinion. The chain of justice is only as strong as its weakest link.

There is no magic formula for producing justice. Many systems have been tried and there is no guarantee any of them can come up with a just decision. The choice comes down to which system provides the best guarantee of impartiality, is free from any outside influence, in which none of its members has a vested interest in the outcome.

Though justice remains the weak point or Achilles’ heel of democracy, any aspiration to strict neutrality and total detachment are not only impossible but probably not even desirable, for the simple reason that they are inhuman. What we are concerned with is human justice, not just some ideal or speculative justice, such as so-called divine justice or computerised justice based on artificial intelligence.

Not surprisingly, justice arrives at the end of the democratic process. The objective of democracy is justice.

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Despite all the pitfalls and imperfections, I, personally, consider that our courts should be authorised not only to deprive accuseds of their freedom if found guilty of crimes, but also of their lives if found guilty of “atrocious” crimes such as child murder, serial killing, torture murder, rape murder, mass murder, terrorism, and premeditated murder that is carefully planned and executed. Naturally, they should benefit from a presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

And, of course, we must impose the highest standards on our justice, ensuring that a satisfactory share of the best students are being attracted to the legal and judicial professions, and that the most effective procedures of quality control are implemented by the judiciary in relation to outsourced public and private expert services – not just relying on accreditation by their professional associations – guaranteeing that state of the art professional standards are fully respected and applied at all times and in all circumstances.

Even in the best of conditions, perfection is not of this world, and accidents can happen. It is a fact of life we simply have to accept. It is unavoidable, no matter what we do. Justice is no exception.

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To ALTRAV. No consolation nessassary. Just being honest and don't want people to see me as a moral snob or something. Concerning queers, I trust your judgment. It's been fairly recent, but I've seen a few tactics and behaviors that make me question everything that is presented by the homosexual movements. Still try your best to the best of your ability. Humanly speaking we have limits and can only do our best. But with God all things are possible, even the unrealistic.

Not_Now.Soon, thanks for the thought.

I could not help but notice the time of your post; 3:45 AM?

I assume you have a night job or, like me, an unusual sleeping regime.

As it is 2:35 AM here.