Not-Now.Soon, Let us not forget, the death penalty applied since way back when. It was only removed not that long ago, so the death penalty is not a new concept by any means.

Of course my reference to the death penalty must be taken with a grain of salt.

I am so frustrated at the legal and social system here, in so much as crimes are committed daily and some very serious ones and by people who are not attune to living amongst simple decent people.

Because these people contribute nothing to the larger community and their actions cause nothing but grief and sorrow and generally a ship load of negative results for the victims. And they don't discriminate on age either.

So I consider what our lives would be like if these elements were removed from society, and I can see truly wonderful safe place to live, for EVERYONE.

Incarcerating them is the worst thing as they meet like minded scum and when released only cause more pain and anguish. The jails are costing more and more every year, only one in very many change for the better, the rest come out worse.

No NNS even though my comments have to be measured, the death penalty was in place before so I am not advocating some new and despicable plan. It was already there, all we had to do was keep it going and I believe just the threat of the death penalty would have made many of these scumbags re-consider what they were about to do.

Banjo I appreciate your sentiments and applaud them, but over time a lot of good people have made the wrong decisions based on the wrong reasons.

I have watched major decisions being implemented and yet even I knew the long term implications of that decision were negative and so here we are today.

You have a very understanding, forgiving and compassionate view on life, and that is commendable, but you mask the real Australia by not acknowledging it's true colours and historical sub-culture.

I have always believed that there is no gain or purpose in broadcasting someones achievements because they are already being experienced, so don't need any more praise.

What we DO need is much more denouncing, broadcasting and rejection of anyone who harms another person. Only when the screws are turned up will these people suffer.

I make no secret of the fact, I want the miscreants to suffer. I know it is not within the Christian ethos, BUT, we must consider the greater good for the greater population, and not a secular interpretation of the bible at the expense of human kind.

If it puts minds at ease our saviour died on the cross for his people. You might say that's different. It has differences but ultimately someone died so that many would live. Is there not some distant parallel or irony in that act of sacrifice. For the greater good?

To ALTRAV
Your reply to my last post was, in part –

Ashbo, I agree with you on all your comments. A B C and D.
Even though we should accept all living things. In life there are always the exceptions.
We do not accept a murderer, even though he is a human being. Yet among his fellow murderers he is the norm and acceptable. This is a minority that society has rejected.
I see the queers in a similar vane.

It seems to me that you accept homosexuality is not “un-natural”.

Is your argument now really a question of morals (what is considered right and what is considered wrong)?
Your reply above suggests so.
However, I’m not sure if I understand your joining together homosexuality with murder (apart from homosexuals and murderers being a minority in our society – with murderers being a, thankfully, tiny minority).
A murderer takes another’s life – perhaps the most terrible thing one person can do to another.
Can homosexuality be thought of in the same way?

Ashbo, it appears my explanations are flawed as I seem unable to explain myself.

I do not accept queers. They may be 'normal' amongst their own kind but not according to normal healthy homo-sapiens.

I was not intending to involve morals, but if it helps make my case I will gladly include. If not, no.

My reference to murderers was as minorities. Although it must be said when the question was put as to whether they should let Jesus free or a murderer.........

Can you get a sense of what people are like, by this simple analogy?

Ashbo, as much as you will not agree with me, and that's OK because you sound like a much more affable person than myself.

But I am an honest man who stands by his convictions. All of them earned through a life of struggle and continual push-backs and rejections from those who we trusted to help and assist us.

Well here it is, I just don't like queers! I have many reasons to justify my stance but it seems that there are too many voices who are YES sympathisers on these forums, so my views and I are attacked and aggressively challenged.

This SSM has been a social disaster in other countries, such as Massachussets USA. It is on the record and it is akin to the war on terror, only legalised by the govt. Look it up.

But as long as it is irritating someone it means I am still a voice.

To ALTRAV

It's strange. Considering the death penalty and the roots and growth of Christianity, we started in the shadow of Roman rule, persecuted by both Jewish and Roman leaders, that the young church had Jesus's teachings and letters from apstoles to lead them. We did not start with the power to initiate justice to those worthy of death, and it was not taught which crimes would be given the death penitality if we ever obtained the scales of justice. Yet Christianity grew. Became adopted instead of persecuted by government powers that were. And in that mix the striving for power verses faithfully following Jesus haunt our history. A battle that still stands as seen in the Swedish Lutherian church trying to politically garnish our faith.

We have the death penalty, have had it for some time. But I don't know how often we've used it in a Godly way. Justice served should be a protector of the people, and incite fear in those who would break the law. That is in my opinion the only way Justice holds the power to keep corruption, murder, and general lawlessness at bay, to remain the minority. Do not steal because you will owe more then you stole. The punishment being atleast as great as the crime. In Mosasic Laws, death was among the punishments that served to hold the nation together as well as teach God's standards and His focus of what was wrong and punished, verses what was wrong and purged from society so it could not gain a foothold.

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I don't know what you've seen regarding the Genderless agendas, or with the PC movements as a whole. But I trust your judgments as I've seen a few "do as we say, not as we do" behaviors in my lifetime.

However they are not all crooks. Many of them are caught up in the movements of PC morality. Without a history of their actions to show them what is actually happening, and the deceptive schemes to change what is right and wrong to include what they stand for, even if standing for it causes distraction of property or violence to their view of "bad guys." Many people get caught up in these. Too many that are just young and unexperienced for me to sanction a death penalty on.

The ones that are older and have not fixed from the movements, their guilt is greater. However I think for now, I would still keep to the teachings of the early church of how to handle those who sin against us. Correct them to try to save them, then if they refuse to change, kick them out of the church, and let them learn the hard way. Let vengeance be God's instead of at our hand. And then trust Him in His actions.