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Philosophical arguments about religion at Christmas : Comments

By Tristan Ewins, published 22/12/2017

In the light of the Royal Commission into Child Sexual Abuse some people are claiming a general redundancy of Christianity, or even religion in general.

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Dear Ashbo,

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I see that the number of your arguments against capital punishment has almost doubled in 5 days, to a total of 9. There were only 5 on the original list you indicated to Not_Now.Soon on 16 January 2018 5:44:04 PM.

However, I see no change in your principal argument which appears to be what you describe as : “the doctrine of the sanctity of a human life”. Is it because you are a pacifist ?

According to the latest statistics, during the past 5 years, there were 109 terrorist attacks in democratic countries, resulting in 5,041 deaths of innocent people and 15,396 injured.

That is an average of 22 terrorist attacks per year, resulting in 1,008 deaths and 3,079 injured. Do you consider that the deaths of these innocent people are exactly the same as the deaths of the terrorists ? That there is no difference ? That the lives of terrorists are just as sacred as the lives of the innocent people ? That they all deserved to die ?

Do you consider this constant massacre not more “desecrating” of human life than the death of the terrorists who commit such massacres without the least respect for human life ? The same question applies in respect of the execution of somebody found guilty of deliberately committing an “atrocious crime” such as the rape and torture of some innocent young person to death ?

Most of the terrorists either blow themselves up or are shot and killed by the police without a fair trial. Do you think that the police should exercise restraint out of respect for “the doctrine of the sanctity of a human life”, show greater empathy and be more lenient ?

Do you consider that the warmongers, the terrorists, and the criminals should have the sole right (both de facto and de jure) to deprive innocent people of their lives, and if they had the misfortune to be captured, all they should risk is life imprisonment – in the hope that they might possibly seek redemption ?

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Monday, 22 January 2018 7:15:09 AM
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To Banjo.
I won't respond in kind (to your last post).
Your position is more than clear and my arguments, opposing capital punishment, have proved ineffective.
May I thank you for your posts (and your corrections of mine)- I've learned a lot.
Posted by Ashbo, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 5:30:58 PM
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Dear Ashbo,

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You wrote :

« I won't respond in kind (to your last post). Your position is more than clear and my arguments, opposing capital punishment, have proved ineffective »
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As you wish, Ashbo.

On the question of terrorists seeking redemption in prison, there was an interesting study carried-out in 2010 by the ICSR (International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation and Political Violence) in the UK, in partnership with the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START), covering 15 countries.

You may like to take a look at it. Here is the link :

http://icsr.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/1277699166PrisonsandTerrorismRadicalisationandDeradicalisationin15Countries.pdf

In a slightly broader perspective, you might also be interested in a couple of articles I wrote on the subject of justice generally and life and death in particular. Here are the links :

file:///C:/Users/Pama/Downloads/sub133%20(75).pdf

http://search.informit.com.au/documentSummary;dn=742086529469277;res=IELAPA

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 9:07:47 PM
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To Banjo.
Just spent my $4.40 to download your article: Justice - A Matter of Life and Death.
I'll let you know what I think of it.
The ICSR report will take a little longer!
Posted by Ashbo, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 6:21:39 PM
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Dear Ashbo,

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I just checked the link I provided for my article “Justice – A Matter of Life and Death” and it opened without having to pay.

Unfortunately, it doesn’t work by clicking on it. You have to copy and paste it into your browser to open it.

I discovered it on the web a couple of years ago by pure chance. The Australian Greens apparently submitted my article in their Exposure Draft of the Medical Services (Dying with Dignity) Bill 2014 as Submission 133.

Strangely enough, when I type it on the forum it appears as a hyperlink but as soon as it is actually posted it is no longer a hyperlink but just an ordinary link. Here it is once again :

file:///C:/Users/Pama/Downloads/sub133%20(75).pdf

I see that the hyperlink to the other article, “Justice – The Achilles’ Heel of Democracy” is working normally. It opens by clicking on it and takes you to the editor’s site. That’s the one for which you must have paid $4.40.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Thursday, 25 January 2018 8:55:18 AM
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Dear Ashbo,

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I just found "Justice - A Matter of Life and Death" on the Australian government web site. Here is the link :

http://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=c1447c7d-6904-4d9e-a7d6-a67edd6fb115&subId=300148

I hope it works ...

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Thursday, 25 January 2018 9:27:10 AM
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