Yes, Grateful the Asians have a lot to teach us on dedication and
work ethic.
Never the less the Arab genome is badly damaged, and will take some
hundreds of years to repair if they stop the practise of cousin marriage today.
Strange that a race of camel and horse breeders took Allah's advice
instead of what they must have seen with their animals.
The story goes I have read, that someone asked Mohammed if it was OK
to marry their cousin, He replied that he did not know but would ask
Gabriel to enquire of Allah if it was OK.
When he next saw Gabriel he passed the information that it was OK.

Now if that story sounds too good to be true then it probably is !

grateful: <<Mary was 12-14; Joseph: 80-90>>

No, I believe that Joseph was about 50 odd. Quite old for those days. & yes Mary was 12 when she conceived. Raped by a Roman Soldier called Pandera. Hence the name Joshua ben Pandera or, also AKA Joshua ben Mamzer (Bastard) Then married off to Joseph who had just lost his wife & had a number of children to look after. He was then retired to Nazareth to avoid a scandal as Mary was the Grand-daughter of the High Priest of the Temple. (Talmudic text Sanhedrin 67a; Shabbath 104b. Origen.)

Still deflecting I see grateful.

The Arabs and other moslems seem to have a problem with being able to
change their understanding when new information arises.
Take for example the matter of pork.
The reasons for a ban on pig meat was well founded, and as the priests
of times before Islam were the main source of knowledge, they realised
that there was a problem with eating pork.
Being religious people naturally they promulgated that knowledge as a
religious dogma to make the ban effective.

Now this worked well for a couple of thousand years, until somewhere
around 500BC the Chinese worked out the parasite cause and developed
animal husbandry techniques to over come the problem.
This knowledge went down the silk road to the middle east, Russia and
Europe and pig meat became a highly productive food source.

However when this knowledge reached the Israelis they could not just
turn around and say Jehovah got it wrong !
I mean if He got it that wrong, was everything else wrong ?
The Islamists of course were following the Abrahamic tradition and
also could not say that Allah got it wrong.
Well Allah did get it wrong, well no he didn't because I suspect
that Gabriel was a con man in the true Arab tradition.

Grateful, some information for you.
Those with a cousin marriage tradition have a 13% greater than the
other populations of giving birth to children with genetic problems.
As it is a widespread problem in most Arab populations it does reduce
the general IQ of the population but it is more complicated than just that.
For instance the incidence may be less in Syrian populations because
the Arabs killed the Assyrian men and took the women.
However that was a long time ago and it is hard to find data on Syria.

Spain is an interesting example. During the Moslem occupation there
was a flourishing of scientific knowledge. I have not been able to
find if the Moors had a cousin marriage tradition and there may have
been intermarriage with the Spanish and Jews who lived there then.

There is only one solution to the difficulty of reaching agreements
with most Arab governments, eg the "Palestinian" / Israel problem
and that is if someone can get them to ban cousin marriage then
wait a few hundred years.
By then they may have cleaned up their genome and be more open to compromise.

Hi Jayb:

Still waiting for your evidence to support:

"As far as Muhammad goes it's all history & Islamic History at that. He was a Camel Train Thief & he was a Pedophile. He was a Murderer. You, can not deny that. moslems just make the excuse that "Allah made him do it." BS."

I didn't think you'd have an answer to that last question of mine, grateful. Best not to think about these sorts of things if you want to leave your religious beliefs intact.