The evils that we see today, and that we've mentioned, arise because people see themselves as free agents in determining right and wrong. Even the Paedophile thinks he is right.

"One of the men who was awaiting the birth of his child with his girlfriend discussed plans to sexually abuse the baby once it was born, police said." From "Massive paedophile ring uncovered by police in Norway after arrest of 51 men" http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norway-paedophile-ring-police-arrest-51-men-a7432441.html

The father who molested and allowed other molest his daughter didn't see himself as doing the wrong thing:
"Mr Whalley said the father watched the other pedophiles have sex with or molest his daughter, often encouraging her to engage in the activity and doing nothing when she protested or refused. Other times, the strangers watched the father sexually abuse his daughter. The abuse mainly happened at the father’s home, the homes of the other men or in hotel rooms."

The father is now appealing against his 22 year jail sentence as being "too harsh"!
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/perth-dad-who-led-evil-8-paedophile-ring-challenges-22year-sentence/news-story/9a68156b36fe691a8be4f6f56cfb9541

The other 7 of Perth's Evil 8: Mark Wesley Liggins, Dawid Volmer,Benjamin Simon Clarke, Nicholas Adam Beer, Troy Phillip Milbourne, Alfred John Impicciatore and Ryan Trevor Clegg. More recently, another has been apprehended: Nicholas Adam Beer.

From <http://www.perthnow.com.au/national/western-australia/evil-8-father-who-organised-pedophile-ring-sexually-abused-daughter-jailed-for-22-years/news-story/6df990855697479a40569ba916405221>

These do not strike me as Muslim names.

Atheists deny divinity arguing that the only sources of knowledge are the senses and reason. But just as our 5 senses cannot help us comprehend questions of science, questions of right and wrong are beyond reason. One atheist may argue a case against paedophilia while another can just as easily make a case for paedophilia, although no amount of reasoning will tell us whether it is right or wrong.

In just one week we have the following headlines:

Child sexual abuse scandal rocks English football as former players allege existence of paedophile rings - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation): http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-26/former-football-players-come-forward-about-child-abuse/8060276

Massive paedophile ring uncovered by police in Norway after arrest of 51 men
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norway-paedophile-ring-police-arrest-51-men-a7432441.html

Police to investigate claims of Scottish paedophile ring
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/police-to-investigate-claims-of-scottish-paedophile-ring-mnwfnrsg5

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From "How paedophile rings operate in Australia" we read:

<<Dr Freda Briggs, Emeritus Professor in Child Development at the University of South Australia, said paedophile rings were happening in Australia and had been for years.
She’d interviewed victims who told of her of abuse that started when they were young children and didn’t stop until their mid-teens. “Many of the victims are young boys who [more so than girls] tend not to report it.”
Their abusers were “wealthy men across all walks of life” who you wouldn’t normally suspect were capable of such appalling behaviour.
ling behaviour.>> http://www.news.com.au/national/crime/how-paedophile-rings-operate-in-australia/news-story/35a755a4a6bdb0d07c73203d4d74b934

Obviously there are many in the secular West who see no wrong in paedophilia. In Australia, the Royal Commission has ruled out investigating child-abuse in 2 key institutions: Parliaments (State & Federal) and the Judiciary, despite the evidence of paedophile rings among Britain's ruling elite:

More than 10’ politicians on list held by police investigating Westminster ‘paedophile ring’

From <https://theukdatabase.com/councillorspolitical-party-affiliated/westminster-scandal-114-secret-files-on-paedophile-cases-missing/more-than-10-politicians-on-list-held-by-police-investigating-westminster-paedophile-ring/>

And accusations raised against an Australian Prime Minister have bee dutifully ignored:
"Survivor of alleged elite paedophile ring including former prime minister speaks out: http://www.news.com.au/national/crime/survivor-of-alleged-elite-paedophile-ring-including-former-prime-minister-speaks-out/news-story/219c1d581d9453b6baf45a0935af214a

Finally, the U.S. has just elected a self-confessed sexual predator! Doesn't seem like a culture that cares too much about its women and children, does it?

Grateful, why did you turn that into an attack on atheists? Are you catholic? Paedophilia appears to be built into religions, whether churches, seminaries, nunneries, schools, or whatever. Religions attract nutters of all shapes and sizes.

"Obviously there are many in the secular West who see no wrong in paedophilia."

The SECULAR West?

You holier than thou morons need to wake up to your rank hypocrisy.

What was that the Koran said about the boys and pearls ?

grateful,

Your argument again is just one big Tu quoque fallacy. And not all paedophiles see nothing wrong with their desires. Many never end up offending and there are even support groups for paedophiles who do not want to offend. Are you saying that Muhammad's (torment be upon him) marrying of a child was alright because he saw nothing wrong with it?

Just because it’s possible to dig up a bunch of European/Anglo names related to child sex abuse cases, that doesn’t mean that Europeans/Anglos sexually assault children more frequently. It could mean a lot of things such as an increased awareness in Western countries, better policing, better laws, a freer media, stronger condemnation of child sex abuse in Western societies, etc.

<<Atheists deny divinity arguing that the only sources of knowledge are the senses and reason.>>

That’s strong atheism. More broadly speaking, atheists do not have religious beliefs because theists have not yet met their burden of proof.

<<… questions of right and wrong are beyond reason.>>

No, they’re not. I can, for example, explain why slavery is wrong - something the Abrahamic religions doctrinally condone.

<<One atheist may argue a case against paedophilia while another can just as easily make a case for paedophilia, although no amount of reasoning will tell us whether it is right or wrong.>>

So what if the atheist (or theist for that matter) that argues against paedophilia points out the psychological harm that sex abuse does to a child? How is that not exercising reason?

I’m sorry, grateful, but you are simply sidestepping the issue by refusing to either outright condemn or condone Muhammad's (torment be upon him) child sex abuse.

I do agree with your point about Trump, however. Directly or indirectly, his election was the public condoning of sexual assault to at least some degree.

AJ: says:
"Your argument again is just one big Tu quoque fallacy. And not all paedophiles see nothing wrong with their desires. Many never end up offending and there are even support groups for paedophiles who do not want to offend. Are you saying that Muhammad's (torment be upon him) marrying of a child was alright because he saw nothing wrong with it?"

Ayesha was young, as was Mary when she was married to Joseph. Yet in all your attacks on Christianity have you once raised this as an issue? Have you ever described it as sexual assault? You can't because in those days marriage at that age was socially acceptable.

We know that Ayesha was young from her own testimony. In fact there is evidence that she was older based on other facts but scholars (Muslim scholars) have chosen to rely on her testimony.

There were no objections to the marriage of Mary at the time and given the opposition that the Prophet faced, if his marriage to Ayesha had been as you describe it (sexual assault, paedophilia) then we would certainly have heard about it.

So there is no testimony from Ayesha that her feeling for the Prophet was anything but love (there are many hadith to this effect) and no testimony from the enemies of the Prophet, nor of course Ayesha's father Abu Bakr.

We need to remember the Prophet was married to one women, Khadija, for 25 years and most of his other wives were middle age and not particularly attractive.

AJ: "I’m sorry, grateful, but you are simply sidestepping the issue by refusing to either outright condemn or condone Muhammad's (torment be upon him) child sex abuse."

You and Jayb make these accusations without one bit of evidence (which itself is evidence of your fraudulent claims to rely on evidence). There is obviously nothing to condemn. My daughter's name is Ayesha and Ayesha, peace be upon her, is someone all Muslims look to for inspiration and guidance.