Grateful, I wonder what your take in this is then?

Radical group calls for global Islamic rule

RADICAL Islamic group Hizb ut-Tahrir held a rally in front of hundreds of supporters in Western Sydney last night denouncing the US.

David

Jayb, you are the one deflecting.

Consider these 2 paragraphs from your post:

<<The Qur’an (Sura 2:225, 3:28, 3:54, 9:3, 16:106, 40:28, and 66:2) establishes the religious legitimacy of breaking oaths, lying, unilaterally violating treaties, and generally scheming against non-Muslims. Allah Himself is described as “the best of schemers” (3:54, 8:30, 10:21), and Muhammad declared, as a justification for murdering unarmed prisoners after offering them safe passage, “war is deceit” (see the Hadith collection of Bukhari, vol. 4, book 52, nos. 268-271).

The Qur’an and later sources command the obedient Muslim to be engaged in eternal war, jihad, with the non-Muslim world until the supremacy of Islam over the entire world is complete. More than 120 times ((2:193, 4:89-90, 8:12, 8:39, 9:5, 9:11, 9:25, 9:29, 9:39, inter alia; and see here for detailed discussion) the Qur’an calls Muslims to jihad until Islam is the only or dominant religion in the world.>>

Whose interpretation (and i'm not just talking about translation but interpretation) are you using when you say certain verses "establish the religious legitimacy of breaking oaths, lying, unilaterally violating treaties, and generally scheming against non-Muslims" or "the Qur’an calls Muslims to jihad until Islam is the only or dominant religion in the world"?

As for the other sources their views are at variance with traditional Islamic teachings and practice. What you are witnessing today is the result of 2 centuries of attacks on the authority and influence of the ulema (Islamic scholars) by authoritarian rulers in the MENA region because the ulema have traditionally been the ones to whom Muslims have turned when faced with injustices of tyrants (see references to Bulliet in a previous post). The vacuum of ignorance has been filled by the likes of Al Qaeda and ISIS.

The question is whether they are truly following Islamic teachings? The distinction is absolutely critical in understanding the problem and addressing it.

For an example of what a real Jihad looks like read the bio of Abdelkader: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emir_Abdelkader

Bazz,
Actions speak louder than words:

"Five schools across Sydney are bucking the trend of Australia's decline in science, technology, engineering and mathematics, leaping more than 10 places compared to their overall HSC ranking to become one of the state's top 20 schools for STEM, a Fairfax Media analysis has revealed.
Among those leading the way is Auburn's Islamic non-government school Al-Faisal which surpassed its overall ranking by 23 places to finish equal 19th on the STEM scoreboard."

http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/hsc-results-2016-the-schools-that-topped-stem-courses-20161220-gtets4.html

David: Grateful, I wonder what your take in this is then? Radical group calls for global Islamic rule

In terms of the group, HT, I think I'm addressing the problem i have with such groups already in relation to the teachings of traditional Islam.

In regard to article that you mention: It is garbage and I'm surprised you would quote it as a reliable source.

The heading states: "Hizb ut-Tahrir: Radical group calls for global Islamic rule during Sydney protest about Syria"

But the article does not quote anyone to this effect. The video is heavily edited so that when the speaker states that there are 4 things "we need to do", it breaks off to the end when the crowd saying allahu akhbar.

Obviously the journalist does not want us to hear the actual message being delivered. Why? It would contradict the message the journalist wants us to hear.

So my conclusion is the article is fabricating news and not reporting it and i cann't see how anyone can reasonably conclude otherwise.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/hizb-uttahrir-radical-group-calls-for-global-islamic-rule-during-sydney-protest-about-syria/news-story/cc91df71ccd3ad269ee3b1ccdb9868ea

With regards to the Islamic Demonstration. RADICAL Islamic group Hizb ut-Tahrir held a rally in front of hundreds of supporters in Western Sydney last night denouncing the US.

grateful: So my conclusion is the article is fabricating news and not reporting it and I can't see how anyone can reasonably conclude otherwise.

"There are none so blind than those who cannot see." So what do you say the Demonstration was about?

What do you say the Demonstrations in my posts were about? You didn't say anything about them. Why is that?

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialBritainFirst/videos/1212883368856922/

https://www.facebook.com/BIRMINGHAMCRUSADER/videos/1725240964460076/

What do you say this moslems woman was on about? She says it OK to Rape White Women (Slaves) because Muhammad instructs it to happen therefore it must be a good thing. Anyway you women are only "As cows or Animals" according to Aishia. So why should I take any notice of what you say. Woman!

Aishia said (to Mohammed) "You have made us equal to the dogs & Asses."

Salih Muslim 4:1039.

"A woman may be likened to a sheep, a Cow or a Camel... for all are to be ridden."

Tafsir al Qurtubi Page 172. Vol 15.

Life under Islam must be great. eh. NOT.

It’s good to Rape White women.
http://freedomdaily.com/muslim-professor-refugees/

grateful: Jayb, you are the one deflecting.

I can't see how. All of my posts are accompanied with whose translation it is.

Ie; see the Hadith collection of Bukhari, vol. 4, book 52, nos. 268-271).

(Majid Khadduri, War and Peace in the Law of Islam, Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins Press, 1955, p. 220); and “…open-ended truces are illegitimate if Muslims have the strength to renew the war against them [non-Muslims]" (Ahmad Mahmud Karima, Al-Jihad fi'l Islam: Dirasa Fiqhiya Muqarina, p. 461, quoted by Raymond Ibrahim.

Chap 47:4 Yusuf Ali.

I have crossed referenced hundreds of Passages by dozens of different Translators. Regardless, all the translations, by no matter "Who," for all intended purposes are identical. So what you are asking, is just a deflection.

Deflecting Jayb.

A bit of panic setting in?

Who is the author of "your" post: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=18693#333745