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Shame effects: the risks from public debates and bigotry about the Safe Schools program : Comments

By Rob Cover, published 3/3/2016

Through its diversity education training, the Safe Schools Coalition program makes some small headway into trying to make a broader range of sexualities and genders seem normal.

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You are wrong to say the program does not discuss specific sexual activities. I was fortunate enough to visit the Safe Schools website before public opinion caused the removal of the most controversial material and what I saw there really concerned me. A discussion on virginity, and how it can be anything you want it to be. Anal sex and oral sex don't count as sex. Giving kids tasks like imagining they are 11 years old and have no genitals, or imagining they are attracted to someone of the opposite sex. How would they feel?
There were links to websites teaching kids how to bind their breasts and tuck their penises, which I had never even heard of before and apparently can cause serious damage to reproductive organs.
But by far the worst message that comes from the lesson is the belief that feeling transgender is normal. I have read all the lesson plans and nowhere does it say anything about the mountain of research that shows that 80% of kids who feel this way will revert to their normal gender by the time they reach adulthood if they are left alone.
Nor is there any mention of the fact that Gender Dysphoria is listed as a mental health disorder in theDSM5 which is the psychiatric diagnostic manual.
These classes try to normalise the abnormal and this is where it is so damaging.
And don't even get me started on the book recommended for four year olds called " the Gender Fairy"
Posted by Big Nana, Thursday, 3 March 2016 9:05:40 AM
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As Big Nana points out and as Dr Clover refuses to acknowledge, despite all his education, is that no-one is objecting to the concept of this program as such. The problem is the explicit content and shoving sexual information about the issues of those who are still tiny minorities in our schools in the face of quite young students.

Some counselling for those who have gender or sexual orientation issues may be appropriate, and bullying - which can occur for a range of reasons - should be stopped. But why pester the whole student body over this specialist issue? It is also worth noting that the people pushing these views seem to have wildly different ideas about what is permissable - whatever genders may be involved - than parents, including the increasing number of gay parents.
Posted by Curmudgeon, Thursday, 3 March 2016 9:41:02 AM
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I've said this before, and I'll say it again.

"At what point did a smart intelligent doctor become Joseph Mengler?"
Some of these researchers become so focused on their little "bubble" view of the world that they lose touch with reality.

I remember an article on here not too long ago on domestic spying where the author was bragging about how he looked forward to going through all our private metadata and I likened him to some sick pervert who secretly wanted to peep into peoples windows at night and go through their rubbish. Sick IMO.

This guy here probably never did a hard days work in his life.
Farms and factories mate, if you really want to contribute something useful to the country.

Sitting in air-conditioned University office telling everyone else how they should live, all in support his own agenda, a likely result of his own sexuality.

Is this all about you and your friends Rob and YOUR queer lifestyle and of wanting to be free to go about your perverted ways without any pushback?

He's filled mind mind with all sorts or crap bouncing it all off other like-minded queer idiots until they all believed their own rubbish, at which point he turned into a Joseph Mengler.

My Issue:
He says there's a NEED to teach kids about the range of sexualities and sexual behaviors from Grade 3.
His ENDS (of equality) are used to justify his MEANS to decide that MY KID needs to be indoctrinated at age 7 or 8 with a LGBTI sexual agenda suitable to HIM (as he's the Uni expert).

You have NO RIGHT TO ADVOCATE FOR THIS when its supposedly against the law for ANYONE to have sex with a person under age 16 as they are considered minors.
Are you saying that those rules don't apply if minors are having sex with other minors and that this is all standard accepted education today?
Where exactly are we at on this issue?

Even his name is fitting since you are trying to 'ROB' my children of their innocence and sexualise them.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 3 March 2016 9:52:11 AM
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'Safe Schools' is everything BUT safe; it is perverted Marxism, instigated by an avowed Marxist freak. Once again, an Australian government has opted out of its main role - protecting Australians, particularly young Australians.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 3 March 2016 10:13:26 AM
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Its not my fault that someone else feels shame about themselves.
They own the problem.

You even try to say that because people there aren't sex scenes on 'Home and Away' this is sex shame.

No its not, its the time families including kids are watching TV and eating dinner you sick excuse for a human being.
You can be gay all you want but in the real world, families don't want to watch gay sex scenes over dinner, you fool.

I told you this guys lost grip on reality...

Don't assume its ok to teach children about sex when they are not legally allowed to do so.
Firstly its my job to teach my kids about these things not yours.
You teach your own kid, if your capable of having them and not adopting someone else's.

Otherwise DON"T EVEN ENTERTAIN the idea they you have any right to even SUGGEST that you have a right to teach my kid about sex until THEY ARE OF LEGAL AGE.

Let alone working to make it legislated.

Maybe you have some catholic priests that would like to teach these kids your curriculum. SICK IMO

You don't necessarily need to teach kids about sex other than teach them TO BE RESPECTFUL OF OTHER PEOPLE.

And also kids will be kids, you are in some ways trying to dumb them down and brainwash them into going against human nature and its messed up.

Kids will pick on others who are different.
Many species do and I think its a part of our DNA.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 3 March 2016 10:15:05 AM
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Lol Armchair critic, if you think any kid doesn't know about sex before the age of 16 these days, then you are seriously deluded! The Internet has become a huge learning tool for this subject, whether we like it or not.

Most Kids already know about gay and transgender kids, but because of their parents and others, they don't understand that it is not alright to be nasty to them because they are different.
Hence the Safe Schools program.
Ooohhhh.....so scary for some adults though, because they don't want to face their own bigotry, nor have their kids question their nasty ideas.
Posted by Suseonline, Thursday, 3 March 2016 11:06:56 AM
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