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Shame effects: the risks from public debates and bigotry about the Safe Schools program : Comments

By Rob Cover, published 3/3/2016

Through its diversity education training, the Safe Schools Coalition program makes some small headway into trying to make a broader range of sexualities and genders seem normal.

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Yes indeed Yuyutsu, you all have very similar mouths, that's for sure : )
Posted by Suseonline, Saturday, 5 March 2016 1:05:56 AM
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Big Nana

I also read the same info on Minus18 website. Regarding details about concepts of chest binding, penis tucking and cross dressing. Huffington Post did also.

Huffington Post – 17/2/2016
I quote – “Mr Bennett said concerns have also been expressed by child psychiatrists about the age-appropriateness of this material, with the head of child psychiatry at the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists being quoted as saying that teaching about gender diversity may not be appropriate for eleven year olds.

“The Education Minister must review this program as a matter of urgency,” he said.

“The review must look at why there is secrecy about the program in Queensland. In every other state, parents and members of the community can look up a website for an up-to-date list of the schools that are teaching the program, yet in Queensland, the names of the schools has been blocked.”

He said children were being referred to the website of an organisation called Minus18, which provides details about concepts such as chest binding, penis tucking and cross dressing.” (End quote)

Also, like you I didn’t take a “screen shot” to prove my point and note details (info) of penis tucking now removed..wonder why?

I also didn’t take a screen shot (and should have) on “chat sessions” with children who are discussing ways to “chest bind” all stating to one another their parents don’t know!

One girl also discussing how she almost passed out as she binded her chest incorrectly!

These young children’s faces on display for all to see – this chat session now removed...wonder why?

Minus 18 are obviously removing content from their website in order to obtain Government support as a “safe site” for our youth.

If Minus18 have nothing to hide why keep removing content from your website?

There is nothing safe about this site – just sneaky with continual removal of content when further inappropriate content on their website is referred to and discussed.
Contd
Posted by SAINTS, Saturday, 5 March 2016 9:28:17 PM
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contd

Under the Safe Schools Program – do we use the term Boys and Girls – anymore – if not, why not. Terminology used being – “students”.

Does that mean those students (boys and girls) who aren’t one of the L-(?) new people category – have no “identity”?

A Senator recently made the following statement – “We’re queer, we’re here #get over it”.

Yep - says it all with the "attitude".

The Safe Schools project – I believe – was to initially address bullying within schools.

The program has now been hijacked by the “minority” to wish to “peddle their own cause” at the expense of the majority.

A Safe Schools program should ensure - zero tolerance for bullying of any type (on any person, for whatever reason, being race, colour, religion, or L-(?) gender) will not be accepted in any school.

It’s called respect ….. pure and simple.

End of lesson in Safe Schools Program.
Posted by SAINTS, Saturday, 5 March 2016 9:30:23 PM
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SAINTS:

Good lesson on the Safe Schools program.

My question is why is there a need for a ‘program’ to combat bullying in schools? Surely by the time kids are nine or ten they should know that every human being has a right to live in peace. They should know what it feels like to have your peace disturbed by other kids and that it is not a nice feeling. They know how that feels long before they go to pre-school if they have siblings. So surely it is a simple thing to say to a child ‘you do not like it and neither does anyone else, so don’t do it to others.’

They know how to hurt other kids because they have been on the receiving end. That is why they do it because they know they can do damage.

The adults only need to tell them of the consequences that will happen to them if they try to hurt other kids and to go through with those consequences if they do. If the consequences are severe enough kids will stop hurting each other. It’s not rocket science.

If a kid vandalises the school classroom you make sure he doesn’t do it again by handing out appropriate punishment. You do not have special programs which explain to him the improprieties of vandalising school property. It is not something that has to be taught – it is something that kids already know to be wrong. It is not education that is lacking but reasonable consequences for behaviour which everyone agrees is unacceptable.
Posted by phanto, Saturday, 5 March 2016 10:48:33 PM
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Just found this thread. Gobsmacked.

I would have thought that, if 1-2 % of kids in secondary school have some doubts about their normality, then it should not be difficult to bring in a counsellor every so often. Problem solved.

But why inflict all these doubts on much younger children ? Why the hell should young kids be exposed to information about the need for contraceptives until they are much older, fourteen or fifteen ? Or to question their very nature ? Why even talk about virginity to young kids who wouldn't have a clue what is meant by it ? Why give young kids the notion that sex is not only of no account, but that all manner of unusual sex is the norm, long before it has ever entered their heads ? Christ, it probably hasn't entered many adults' heads.

And as for putting young kids onto porn sites, what pervert dreamt that up ?

For Christ's sake, (and no Foxy, I'm not religious) why can't young children be left alone until they are genuinely starting to experience a need for proper sex education in mid-secondary ? The world will crowd in on them soon enough. Teach them about capital and labour, how people earn their living, how production is organised, the importance of trade, the role of technology. Surely those are more important than some pissy doubts of 1-2 % of mid-secondary kids over what they think they 'are' ?.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 7 March 2016 10:09:53 AM
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ABC news – “New Labor MLA Jayson Hinder moved a motion today calling for support for the program and rejecting "homophobic and transphobic discrimination". (end quote)

Then why does Safe Schools Programme support links to Minus18 - instructions on how to “hide” or cover your tracks, while searching online. Children therefore also could be seeking info about drugs, porn, and many other unsavoury websites. Where is the integrity with this programme?

How is this article “relative” to preventing school bullying? The following article reproduced from Minus18 site.

Mr Hinder there are many concerned parents out here who aren’t homophobic and/or display transphobic discrimination as you suggest. We (as parents and family members) have a duty of care and obligation to protect our children.

The first sentence in article – says it all!

Reproduced article from Minus 18 - Cover Your Tracks

"Making sure no one sees what you're searching for online is kind of an important thing when you're not out. Nothing worse than having someone see that your last google search was for "Gay teens Melbourne" Am I right?

Fear not, cause we have some handy tips for you on keeping stealthly while browsing online.

How do I work out which browser I'm using?

If you know what browser you are using, then skip to the relevant instructions below. If you do not know the type of browser you are using, click on Help on the toolbar at the top of the browser screen. A drop down menu will appear, the last entry will say About Internet Explorer, About Mozilla Firefox, or something similar. The entry refers to which browser type you are using - you should then refer to the relevant instructions below.

Internet Explorer
Stop. Update Internet Explorer or download another browser now. If you're on a computer where you can't do this then:
Click on the Tools menu and select Internet Options. In the General page under Browser History, select the Delete... button. Either select and Delete each section:
cont'd
Posted by SAINTS, Thursday, 10 March 2016 8:56:42 PM
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