Onthebeach, you and Banjo remain in your ruts of years past and present and doubtless 2016 will be the same. Despite the continuing Government policies, of both 'left' and 'right' persuasion, of continuing multicultural immigration, you blokes continue to imagine that your racist views are in the majority?

If the general views of the majority of the electorate was to stop immigration and multiculturalism, more specifically Muslim immigration, then wouldn't all the mad nationalist and anti-immigration/whiteAustralia policy groups have done a lot better at the elections? They bombed badly didn't they?

Calwest, all day I had a burning desire to correspond with you, but alas, I was locked out until now because I had already written four posts in 24 hours on this thread.
Now that I am here, I have changed my mind. You can go on chatting to your likeminded redneck comrades instead...

JayB, you must feel humble in your own presence, what with your need to share with us all your IQ? Of course, no one on here can verify that claim, but you go for it.

Obviously, someone's high IQ doesn't preclude them from saying really ignorant comments, and obviously no one can know the IQ of everyone in a country, race or religion unless they were all tested, so your little list of IQ's isn't really truthful or helpful at all.

Aqueel Choudry's article says that the Ahmadiyya Muslim sect is a peaceful sect of Islam which rejects the violence and terrorism in the Koran. Well, if that is so, Aqeel, then I would say that if Australia wanted to import Muslims, then we should have chosen the Ahmadiyya over the mainstream Muslims. The Sunnis, Shiites and Wahabbis are now a problem in the entire western world. But because of the mindsets of people like Foxy and Susieonline, we did not discriminate between the different branches of Islam. We applied the usual socialist principle that all cultures, religions, and races were equal, and now we are in a real mess.

Now I looked up Ahmadiyya Islam in WIKI and it says your sect is persecuted by the mainstream Muslims as heretics. That wins a lot of kudos with me, Aqeel. If the mainstream Muslims don't like you, you and your people are probably OK.

The desire to live in a safe community is a cultural universal, Aqeel. And it is also a cultural universal to live amongst people that we feel safe with, people that we feel are our kith and kin. You are an Ahmidiya and you want to live in Marsden Park with you fellow Ahmidiyya. I am an Australian who wants to live in Australia with Australians. As a self identified Ahmadiyya, Aqeel, you want to do the best thing for your people. Australia is a nice place and you want every Ahmadiyya in the world to come to Australia. You want what is best for the Ahmadiyya.

But I am not an Ahmadiyya, Aqeel. I am Australian. I want what is best for my own people, who are Australians, not Ahmadiyyans. I am prepared to accept Ahmadiyyans as Australians, provided that I am convinced that their primary loyalty is to Australia, and not to Ahmaiyyans. Your opening paragraph gave me grounds to wonder about that. I have no reason to think that your people are any different from any other religious or cultural group who's attitudes, values and behaviours are generally diametrically opposed to my own people's.

//Thousands of other Islamist authorities have remained silent.//

I have no idea how many Islamic auhtorities have and have not condemned vagISIL in fatwah form or otherwise. Here is a website that may help:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fatwas+against+isis

Your claim was that no Islamic authorities had issued against fatwas against vagISL; now that I have shown that to be false the claim has been revised to 'not enough Islamic authorities have condemned ISIS'. I rather suspect that in your case, every single last Islamic authority who isn't in vagISIL could condemn vagISIL and it still wouldn't be enough for you. Presumably you want the Islamic authorities within vagISIL to condemn it as well. This seems unlikely.

//And you're going to tell us that everything that ISIS does is OK//

No, vagISIL are dicks. But that doesn't mean everybody who dislikes vagISIL is automatically not a dick. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend; sometimes he is a nasty little xenophobic creep - the dog crap on the shoe of humankind.

//and that the silence of the "moderate" Muslims is OK too?//

Had your hearing checked lately? I've heard plenty of condemnation of vagISIL from plenty of Muslims. Tell you I haven't heard any condemnation from? South America. Not a peep from any leader on the whole damn continent. Closest thing was the Pope, and he was wearing his Pope hat not his South American hat. Maybe it's time to start worrying about Brazil? Or maybe South Americans also dislike vagISIL but we just don't hear much about it over here, because who really cares what some Bolivian peasant thinks anyway?

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//And too bad ISIS is ignoring it, anyway.//

Well what did you expect? VagISL don't care about the silence or condemnation of other Muslims or anybody else: vagISIL only care about vagISIL, on account of being dicks.

//The Green Left is the parasite eating our nation from within.//

A bunch of lunatic hippies trying to get land rights for gay whales? They're not a threat to anybody. They're a source of much mirth and amusement most of the time, and a source of annoyance some of the time (no, hippies, I do not want to buy your crappy newspaper. And also, you're all idiots for opposing nuclear power and GM food. Why don't you piss off and shag a tree somewhere?)

Suse,

How do you react to the Qur'an telling the faithful that it is OK to beat their wives?

"Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

"Contemporary translations sometimes water down the word 'beat', but it is the same one used in verse 8:12 and clearly means 'to strike'."
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/003-wife-beating.htm

Suse,
Here you go,avoiding the issue under debate and introducing a straw man to take the debate in another direction.

The issue of muslim immigration is very much a topical subject in the circles I move in and the pubs and clubs I attend. These are working peoples establishments and the popular view is to stop muslim immigration and muslim refugee intake.

I reckon you know very well that the reason it is not debated federally is because Bob Hawke PM formed a conspiracy with the LNP and Labor (where are you Arjay?) They agreed not to debate immigration issues but simply allow the government of the day to decide unhinded. The ruse was that the issues were too complicated for us simple folk to understand. Both parties have kept that agreement so immigration is never an election issue.

So how about you take up my challenge and find a post where I have shown racist views. The only reason you cry racism is because you cannot argue on any other basis. I have lived with, worked with and socialized with many different peoples over the years and my viewpoint is formed from practical observation. Aus needs to stop muslim immigration.