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Peace loving Australian Muslims deserve a ‘fair go’! : Comments
By Aqeel Choudhry, published 24/12/2015The peaceful, loyal and law-abiding Australian Muslims deserve a 'fair go'. The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is a perfect example as victim of this over generalisation.
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Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 27 December 2015 6:03:51 PM
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//By the way, if the great majority of Islamists are just damn nice, moderate people, why has no imam or mufti issued a fatwah against Islamic State?//
They have. Why don't you try dealing with the facts instead of disseminating bullshyt propaganda? http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.com/historic-islamic-edict-fatwa-on-joining-isis-isil/ Here is an excerpt from the fatwa: "There is very clear guidance in the holy Qur’an and in the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) clearly guiding Muslims on how to handle anti-Islam and anti-Muslim aggression on the part of groups and governments. Under no circumstances Islam allows the following. The following actions are un-Islamic and completely forbidden. Capturing opponents; Muslim OR non-Muslim civilians and beheading them. Killing Muslims who disagree with beliefs and actions of ISIS/ISIL. Destroying mosques. Demolishing the graves of Prophets (peace upon them), Aulia Allah (Saints) and ordinary people. Forcing out Muslims OR non-Muslims from their houses and making them refugees. There are now more than eight million refugees because of the atrocities of ISIS/ISIL. Murdering Islamic scholars who oppose ISIS/ISIL. Encouraging Muslim girls and facilitating their travel secretly to Syria and Iraq to fight for an organization like ISIS/ISIL. Burning enemy soldiers alive. Mutilating a human body alive or dead. Throwing enemy combatants or civilians from a height to kill them." .... Posted by Toni Lavis, Sunday, 27 December 2015 6:42:06 PM
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"ISIS/ISIL have committed all of the above violations in the most horrific and inhumane way. These actions are not allowed under any circumstances in Islam. Such actions are absolutely HARAAM (forbidden and major sin) in Islam and cannot be justified under any circumstances. Nor can the struggle of ISIS/ISIL be considered “JIHAD”. The clear guidance of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) regarding armed struggle (war) is as follows. During a war (Jihad), a Muslim army cannot do the following. These are the Jihad ethics of Islam that no one has the authority to change. These are also the Sharia laws about Jihad that no one can change. Do not kill children, even if they belong to the enemy. Do not kill noncombatant men or women, even if they are from the ranks of the enemy. Do not kill elderly, sick or weak people, even if they are from the ranks of the enemy. Do not cut trees. Do not contaminate water. Do not destroy the places of worship of any religion. Do not force people against their will to convert to Islam." Facts, calwest, facts. Much more interesting than your anti-Muslim propaganda. Posted by Toni Lavis, Sunday, 27 December 2015 6:42:58 PM
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Fox,
As you would know, the diplomatic homilies produced from time to time by public bureaucracies reflect the transient politics of the government at the day. They are masterful for what the spin doctors of the Sir Humphrey Applebys do not say. Not that the Australian federal public service is anywhere near as independent as the civil service of Sir Humphrey. However since you quoted at length for the edification of OLO posters it was only reasonable to assume that you believed what you were spruiking, ie., that the bad behaviour, crimes such as rapes and multiple murders perpetuated by jihadists and other Islamic criminals are the fault of the host nations for allegedly failing to integrate them properly. What absolute bollocks that the victim is responsible for the crime committed against him/her and the perpetrator is flipped to be the victim - made to do it by 'poor' integration, allegedly. Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 27 December 2015 7:04:05 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSPvnFDDQHk#action=share
comments by an ex muslim woman who shows how ignorant the left are Posted by runner, Sunday, 27 December 2015 7:20:08 PM
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Phanto: Is this just an attempt to tug at the heart strings of all dinkum Australians who pride themselves on giving everyone a ‘fair go’?
The problem is that Islam idea of a “Fair Go” is. Do it the Islamic way or else. Nothing less is acceptable. Wagar: People then tend to generalise religion and all its followers as a whole, because of something a single person has committed in the name of the religion. True especially when “all” the most noted Imams in Australia & overseas, including the President of Turkey saying, “There is no such thing as a Moderate Moslem there are only Moslems.” Waqar: Lastly Islam means peace. No, Islam means, Submission, not peace. It means peace if the person submits, if not, then it’s off with their heads. Hasbeen: When or if these mythical peace loving Muslims sit on their militant brethren, & control their aggression & terrorist tactics & ambitions. Oh, so true. Let’s hear more of these The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community speak up in the in the vocal condemnation of their violent breathern. I’d hate to be hanging by the proverbial waiting for that to happen. JBowyer : we have to ensure immigration of muslims is forbidden, mosques are monitored and if they support terrorism then knock them down and disallow anymore being built. Muslims have to realise that their beliefs are just not compatible with Australian values. Exactly. Sparkyq: You are in Australia. You have a "fair go", just like every other person in the country, if you have the willingness to accept it. Too right, mate. Arjay: There is now plenty of evidence that Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel and the West finance these terrorist groups. They openly admit supplying groups opposed to Assad & the ISIS. It’s not something I agree with either. In fact it's stupid. Political Correctness is why we keep losing to these Terrorists. Putin is winning without Political Correctness because he knows it as failed. Posted by Jayb, Sunday, 27 December 2015 7:46:08 PM
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1. The US has embarked on a military adventure, “a long war”, which threatens the future of humanity. US-NATO weapons of mass destruction are portrayed as instruments of peace.
2. Major military and covert intelligence operations are being undertaken simultaneously in the Middle East, Eastern Europe, sub-Saharan Africa, Central Asia and the Far East. The US military agenda combines both major theater operations as well as covert actions geared towards destabilizing sovereign states.
3. “[The] Five-year campaign plan [includes]… a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia and Sudan.” General Wesley Clark in “Winning Modern Wars” (page 130)
4. In 2005, former Vice President Dick Cheney hinted, in no uncertain terms, that Iran was “right at the top of the list” of the “rogue enemies” of America, and that Israel would, so to speak, “be doing the bombing for us without being asked”, i.e without US military involvement and without us putting pressure on them “to do it”
9/11 and The Global War on Terrorism (GWOT)
5. The “war on terrorism” is a war of conquest. Globalization is the final march to the “New World Order”, dominated by Wall Street and the U.S. military-industrial complex.