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Integration is the open secret to deradicalization : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 4/5/2015

It appears that the determining factor behind this phenomenon is the absence of integration, by choice or design, of young Muslims into the mainstream of their respective Western countries.

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Integration of Muslims will not work to de-radicalize as the Koran tells the faithful that it is OK to lie in the cause of Allah, therefore feigning integration will be a holy thing.

So how do you tell if a Muslim is not faking it?
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 10:28:48 AM
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Like all Christians, not all Muslims take their holy book literally.
If they did, the Christians would all be constantly gathering their supply of stones to have handy for stoning the next adulterer they would come across....
Posted by Suseonline, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 10:41:59 AM
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I'm sorry Suse this comment shows your complete ignorance about Islam - "Muslim people have differing views on the interpretation of their holy book". Muslim is the name given to the people who belong to the Islamic faith.

True Muslims are not allowed to interpret the Holy Book. The Koran is the word of God from the final prophet, it is the ultimate truth and therefore not open to interpretation. There is no fudging the word of Mohammed. To interpret/question the Koran is sacrilege and punishable.

Muslims who do not visit the Temple, or do their daily prayers, or do not bother about certain religious festivals are less Muslim than the fanatics we all agree are a problem. But the fanatics are the ones who are following the teachings of Mohammed. The fanatics are practicing Islam as it should be. We Westerners may wish differently and keep saying Islam is a religion of peace but it hasn't been historically and there is no indication it will be in the future.

I have no doubt there are some, possibly even many Muslim people like those you describe but they are not in the majority within the Muslim community and I seriously doubt they openly admit they have an alternative view of how Islam should be practiced.

If you have proof some Muslims interpret their Holy Book differently can you please share an example of a passage in the Koran they are interpreting.
Posted by ConservativeHippie, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 11:33:49 AM
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What is more, a Muslim that is faking assumption of Western values to further the cause of Allah may indulge in the drinking of alcoholic beverages if by so doing he/she is not doing so for pleasure alone, although pleasure may be felt.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 1:15:31 PM
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When was the last time European Christians stoned anyone?
You have to go way back to the beginning of Christianity and the Hellenic world to find ISIS level atrocity stories, they are there in abundance but are we really worried about what Ioannes Asiacus or Theodosious II did in 380 or whatever?
The point is that Christians in 2015 are harmless and no threat to Islam, the reverse is simply not true.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 6:41:03 PM
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To Susionline.

There are approximately 1.2 billion Muslims on this planet, and just in case you have not noticed, almost all of them take their religion very seriously. Where are all these "moderate" Muslims who believe in secular government, civil law, gender equality, homosexuality, tolerance of other religions, and the idea that it is OK to criticise Islam? If the majority of Muslims are "moderate", please tell us which Islamic countries believe in these concepts? If you can't, then your opinion is more worthy of hilarity than serious consideration.

How is it possible for a presumably intelligent woman to say something which is so laughably contrary to self evident reality?

If the overwhelming majority of Muslims admired the ideals of western liberals, then almost every Muslim country would be a liberal democracy. You are "projecting" your liberal attitudes onto people who firmly reject them, and then fantasising that they think just like you do.

You are equating two religions which do not equate. That most Christians do not take their religion too seriously, makes you think that Muslims must do the same thing. Your humanitarian ideology tells you that almost everyone on planet Earth is noice, and (to paraphrase President Kennedy) that "we all breath the same air, we all want what is best for our children." Well Susie, that famous picture of Muslim parents dressing their toddlers up as suicide bombers should have given you pause to think that perhaps Muslims do not think like you do.

Unlike most Christians, Susie, all Muslims believe that the Koran is the literal word of God. And that He is giving them his instructions on how they must live. He has told them that Sharia Law supersedes civil law, that women are inferior, homosexuals must be executed, other religions must not be tolerated, neighbouring infidels should be attacked and forced to become Muslims, and those who criticise Islam must be killed.

How you can reconcile the idea that such a "religion" can co exist peacefully within a society with diametrically opposed values and attitudes, is one of life's enduring mysteries.
Posted by LEGO, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 6:53:16 PM
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