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Integration is the open secret to deradicalization : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 4/5/2015

It appears that the determining factor behind this phenomenon is the absence of integration, by choice or design, of young Muslims into the mainstream of their respective Western countries.

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So the author believes that the way to prevent Muslim radicalization is to infect young Muslims with nationalism, to treat fire with fire...
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 4 May 2015 12:50:29 PM
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Professor Alon Ben-Meir, instead of beating around the mulberry bush, please deal directly with the fundamental question: can a Muslim be integrated into a secular society in which I am allowed to declare that Islam is bunkum?
Posted by Leslie, Monday, 4 May 2015 1:31:41 PM
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Many non-Muslims also "feel increasingly marginalized economically, socially and politically..."

This excuse panders to the more radical Muslims, media apologists and politicians. "Victimhood" is a standard screen to hide the real reasons for appalling attitudes held by some Muslims. The illegal and obnoxious behaviour of radicals in Australia has long been proven to have nothing to do with poverty, unemployment or with any social or political evils. Note the most recent of them - the mad doctor. And, if the shock and protestations of parents and families of some of these people is genuine, it has nothing do with their training or upbringing either.

And, of course Islamic terrorism will lead to "European" (and any non-Muslim community) 'Islamaphobia. Are their vicious behaviour and threats supposed to engender love for them?
Incidentally, "Islamaphobia" is a construct of the Left, meant to show us that the fear or dislike is irrational or unwarranted like any other phobia. It is a completely inappropriate 'non word'.
So, good luck with integrating peope who don't wish to integrate. And, continue to ignore the fact that immigration is one of the main ways of spreading Islam.

As for what WE should be doing. How about all these 'moderate' Muslims we here about, but don't hear from? Islam is the problem. THEY are the ones who should be doing something about it. There is no point in some self-appointed leader saying that violence and hatred of others is 'not the way of Islam", when Islamic literature tells us that damn well is. There must be Muslims out there who are not liars, and who regret that their religion and way of life is still in the dark ages; and these people are the ones who should be demanding change if they wish to live peacfully in the West.

In the meantime, we must never forget that this is all the fault of politicians for Islam spreading to Australia. Without their stupid pig-headedness and refusal to listen, we would not be discussing this problem now.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 4 May 2015 3:41:19 PM
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TTBN,
Lebanese, Afghan and African Muslims were brought here for purely political reasons, the refuge resettlement program is wholly political, it has no economic justification.
Talking about "moderate Muslims" is pointless, what we need is a de-Islamisation program to bring people out of the lifestyle altogether because without a new version of Islam there can be no moderate Muslims.
If people really feel they need a spiritual component to their lives they can take up Christianity, Buddhism or one of the other faiths.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 4 May 2015 4:15:54 PM
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All this is not new. Countries ouside the Middle East have been suffering
the predations of Islam for 1400 years. They have been commanded by
Allah to impose Islam on the world by the sword.
Call it Islamaphobia if you like as it is accurate. If you do not
suffer from Islamaphobia you do not know what is going on around you.

As for the useful idiots that try to tell us that we are over reacting
and that it is a tiny minority, they will be the first to get the chop.

It would be useful for someone to lay a complaint with the discrimination
board or whoever that the Koran is illegal as it is a racial and
violence advocating publication.
The immans I see have already asked for the Koran to be exempted
from the new anti terrorism laws the government is preparing.

What is the bet the weak politicians will agree.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 4 May 2015 4:47:09 PM
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Jay

I have always been sceptical of moderation in Muslims. There is nothing moderate about Islam itself , and there is only one version. So, as there are undoubtedly good/nice and peaceful Muslims, I assume that they are not as devout as the fire and brimstone ones; or, perhaps they do not take Islam seriously - just as many who are nominally Christians, but who hardly ever think about religion. It was just the luck of the draw that they were born into it.

What do you think? It would make understanding and dealing with ordinary Muslims much easier. But I still think they have to make the move.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 4 May 2015 5:10:23 PM
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