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Integration is the open secret to deradicalization : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 4/5/2015

It appears that the determining factor behind this phenomenon is the absence of integration, by choice or design, of young Muslims into the mainstream of their respective Western countries.

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This is wrong, wrong and even more wrong. The problem is not with us evil westerner's it's with Islamic culture.

This is just another in a long line of apologist articles blaming the west on the violence that Islam is defined by.

The writer ignores the fact that the vast majority of the fighters joining these groups are from Islamic countries. Yes there are some poor little second or third generation Muslims from the west joining,but it's a small percentage of the fighters. No the problem will only be fixed when Muslims stop blaming the West and start taking steps to move their religion into the 21st century.

Stop blaming the west this is an Islamic problem. follow the money this is a a proxy war between the Saudi's and the Iranian's.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Monday, 4 May 2015 10:03:39 AM
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A couple of points.
Despite the protestations of Western apostates and innovators,ISIL and Al Qaeda are legitimate Islamic movements and Sunni Islam is fundamentalist or literalist, the word Sunni means "people of the tradition of Mohammed".
There is no possibility of integrating Islam in to any other system of government or a non Islamic society, it just doesn't work that way.
The religion of the immigrants is an insignificant issue, the number of actively religious people in the Lebanese, Afghan and African groups in this country is tiny, the faithful and observant are the minority. Most of the problematic aspects of hosting these immigrant groups relate to ethnic customs, biological issues like their lower median intelligence and innately aggressive and histrionic behaviour.
Calls for assimilation are exacerbating the problem not the solution because there's no longer a society for anyone to integrate into, multiculturalism has disintegrated Australian society and for the most part the media, academic and political castes are working against the forms of civic nationalism which could work in favour of greater integration.
"Muslim" youth culture in Australia boils down to adoration of the Hollywood "Gangsta" stereotype of the U.S Negroes and the mixed messages of Arab nationalism and Islamic Jihad coming from the internet, ISIS is the toughest gang going around with the hardest gangsters on the street, it's natural that kids to whom those stereotypes are so ingrained would want to be a part of it.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 4 May 2015 10:29:10 AM
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The regressives immigration policies have caused these problems. Anyone that bangs on about all cultures and religions being equal are plainly ignorant. All people are made in the image of God but those serving violent idealogies should never have been welcomed here in order to appease the Christophobes.
Posted by runner, Monday, 4 May 2015 10:36:11 AM
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Cobber,
There's a quote from a person who left Islam which crops up a lot on Facebook, "To reform Islam you'd have to get rid of 70% of the Koran and the 30% left is just utter nonsense anyway".
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 4 May 2015 10:37:33 AM
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Name a country where Islamic immigration has worked without bloodshed
and large scale criminal activity by the immigrants.
Now we hear all the time that it is only a small minority.
The moslem communities are quite tightly held together.

Why should we have to bother trying to sort them out ?
It is impossible.
It is interesting that Norway is having a go anyway.
They are deporting large numbers of moslems.
Interestingly the crime rate has dropped 30% !
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 4 May 2015 10:54:07 AM
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I agree with most of this.

What should happen to migrants, is they be directed where they can live work and play, rather than head for the nearest ethnically suitable Ghetto.

And if directed exclusively to underpopulated outback towns, both they and the locals will have to work out how to successfully cohabitate!

We have within our ranks the descendants of Muslim Afghan camel drivers, who have done both.

These folks, mostly following the older sofie tradition? Have well and truly integrated!

They look dress and talk like any other Aussie. They could be the bloke or sheila you have a beer or wine or tea or coffee with after work, or follow a favorite football/netball team with; or share a Sunday arvo B-B-Q with, or the kids your kids go to school with.

Religion being saved for the Mosque and appropriate timing, that fits in with local customs and social mores?

And to a virtual person, are even more outraged than most, by what is being done in the name of their religion; and by self appointed spokespersons with no valid claim whatsoever to speak for anyone, let alone God!?
Rhrosty
Posted by Rhrosty, Monday, 4 May 2015 11:22:26 AM
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