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Saving democracy from the extremists : Comments

By Junaid Cheema, published 25/2/2015

The publication had a very un-Australian affect on the readers - comments flooded the paper's social media site vilifying Muslims, promoting hate and creating divisions amongst Australians.

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Ch 4 v 95. Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the Cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home): unto all (in faith) hath Allah promised good: but those who strive and fight hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward.
moslems who don't fight unbelievers are gutless & Allah knows them & their reward in Heaven will not be as great as those moslems that fight unbelievers.

Ch9 v5. 5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war )
Allah Commands moslems to fight unbelievers at "every" opportunity.

Ch47 v4. Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; at length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost.
Allah commands moslems to kill unbelievers when & where ever they can. Take some prisoners & demand a ransom. Allah himself would have done this. Allah commands you to fight unbelievers to test you to see if really are obedient to him. If you are killed you will get the best reward there is in heaven.

All moslems believe this to be true. Do you want to tell me that Islam is the Religion of Peace?
Posted by Jayb, Saturday, 28 February 2015 9:50:26 PM
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I posted this on another thread and I'll post it here:
http://media.clarionproject.org/files/islamic-state/islamic-state-isis-magazine-Issue-4-the-failed-crusade.pdf
Now I read a lot of commentary by Sunni religious teachers and Islamists as opposed to the views of White or Jewish Dhimmis and Zionist stooges from the David Horowitz milieu and the Dabiq magazine is the equal of any other pro Islam publication. Dabiq is coherent, well written, extensively footnoted with the Koran and completely convincing in it's arguments.
I don't support ISIL, they've declared war on my race, my nation and my people but I understand them and I can't find any fault with the way they go about Jihad.
What ISIL don't talk about is what Europeans, and particularly Anglo Saxons are capable of once freed from their alliances and treaties,if
Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia were to fall we would see "Total War" unleashed as it was against the National Socialists from about 1943, we've just passed the anniversary of the bombing of Dresden in 1945, it's food for thought for the residents of Mosul and Raqqa.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 28 February 2015 10:38:07 PM
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To NC.

Your "logic" is that you can provide a couple of quotes from the Koran which says that there is no compulsion to become a Muslim. And unless I can find a direct quote in the Koran which contradicts your quotes, then there is no compulsion in Islam.

That is a load of crap and you know it.

To begin with, the prophet himself forced at least one person to convert to Islam on pain of decapitation, and he mass murdered 600-800 Jewish males for refusing to convert. Muhammad was therefore breaching Allah's direct command as written in the Koran. Was Muhammad therefore a sinner? Answer the damned question.

Next, here are direct quotes from the Koran instructing Muslims to forcibly convert people to Islam.

Koran 9:123: “O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allâh is with those who are the pious.”

9:73
Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their Home: an evil fate.

8:39: “And fight them until there is no more disbelief in Islam and the religion will all be for Allâh Alone...”

Sura (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

All of these quotes instruct Muslims to physically assault non Muslims. The purpose is obviously to terrorize them into becoming Muslims. That is compulsion.

Lastly. the Muslim custom of forcing non Muslims living in Muslim territory to pay a "Jizya" tax is a monetary penalty, the purpose of which is to compel defeated people to become Muslims.

Onya Jayb
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 1 March 2015 3:51:54 AM
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Thanks, LEGO.

The simple question is still hanging in the air: are ISIS terrorists acting in accordance with the Koran, or not ?

And it won't go away :)

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 1 March 2015 8:13:34 AM
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Joe,
The only people calling ISIL "un Islamic" are the people against whom it has declared war, their actions follow to the letter the teachings of their prophet. What's more they're thinning out their own ranks, weeding out the adventurers, the bandits and the shirkers, a number of the foreign Jihadis whose commitment to the cause came under question have been executed:
http://rt.com/news/216339-isis-fighters-executed-report/
Revolutions can be bloody at first but after the initial rush there comes a period of consolidation where the degenerate killers, the war junkies and the shell shocked maniacs are swiftly exterminated becuse they serve no further purpose to the cause and through their terrorism work against the necessary "hearts and minds" operations to come.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 1 March 2015 10:14:25 AM
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I like articles written by Junaid, and this one is no exception. No doubt he has this inherent intellect of "seeing", feeling, understanding and then writing on these sensitive and supercharged subjects. I hope he continues to write and shine light from a different perspective. Personally I am fed up of how we, the people, are taken for granted by the corporate media and fed all kind of "views" as "news". So thumbs up to Onlineopinion and to Junaid. Regards
Posted by RBC, Sunday, 1 March 2015 10:54:36 AM
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