Rhian, you are stonewalling and obfuscating. You know that Islam is violent religion which openly preaches violence towards non Muslims.

You are smart enough to know that the IRA did not commit acts of terrorism while screaming "The Pope is Great!" Nor did they quote any passages in the Bible that justified the spread of Catholicism by force, or justified the murder of non Catholics.

You also know that there is no parallel between the teachings, or even the behaviour of Jesus Christ, and the teachings and behaviour of Mohammad. You have submitted only two vague quotes from Jesus Christ which may pertain to approving violence. The first can easily be discounted as a poetic way of saying "I came here to cause trouble" and you are smart enough to know that too. The second, is not in context and I can not judge what it means without reading the entire paragraph. But the Koran contains 160 "sword" passages and the meaning of those stand alone quotes is crystal clear. Spread Islam by force. Kill people who worship idols unless they convert to Islam. Kill anybody who questions Islam or insults the prophet. Kill homosexuals and apostates. Terrorise non Muslims. Be prepared to fight non Muslims who's existence you are even unaware of. And if you follow those instructions, you are a Muslim "a grade higher" than the rest.

Your premise that Islam has been "corrupted" by fundamentalists is ridiculous. If Muslims are faithfully following the written fundamentals of Islam by doing exactly what their God commands them, they are hardly "corrupting" their religion.

Once again you are desperately trying to equate Islam with Christianity by claiming that both have engaged in appalling acts of violence. Once again, I have to repeat that those people who call themselves Christians who commit appalling acts of violence on behalf of their religion would be condemned as "un Christian" by other Christians. While those Muslims who commit extreme violence against non Muslims are "a higher grade" of Muslim, according to the written words of their own Prophet.

Is Mise,
There are plenty of Anti Semitic Christians getting about, Ted Pike and Matt Johnson for example, yet I've never heard a single one talk about Hitler in a positive light let alone claim him as one of their own.
Christians despise Hitler because he and his men were anti-Christian, nihilistic revolutionaries peddling a quasi scientific cult of Aryanism which portrayed Jesus as more or less a blue eyed version of Mohammed, the warrior prophet.
The Catholic "Holocaust" in the Balkans is also a lie, it didn't happen, the figure of 1.7 million dead was de-bunked as far back as 1964, the higher figure was simply invented by the Communists in the late 1940's to screw more war reparations out of Germany.

It's incredible the lengths the apologists of Islam will go to make excuses for the violent nature of the majority of Muslims, the mental gymnastics required to justify the presence of seven million Muslims in Europe is a marvel to behold.
Everyone knows Muslims are violent, the majority are only marginally less violent and criminally inclined than the Jihadis, they contribute nothing positive to our societies, they only take and steal.
It's upsetting but not surprising that "progressives" have lowered themselves to the position of pimps and benefactors for Muslims, providing rape victims and social security for alien barbarians who hate them and are working every hour Allah allows toward the destruction of their benefactors.
It's as I said earlier, the "progressives" now find themselves in the same position as old Herr Hitler in his bunker, planning grand strategies for armies which had long ceased to exist, snarling that the German people themselves have let their Fuhrer down and deserved to burn along with the dream of the eternal Reich.
Europe is fracturing and according to the "progressives" it's all the fault of the "racist" White working class, the "Far Right", the "ignorant" and the "uneducated". It's never the fault of the people who are actually in power and the "progressives" in charge, I fear will watch it all burn rather than admit that they were wrong.

Rhian,

The New Testament mentions that the followers of Jesus were first called Christians within a few years after his death.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+11%3A26%2CActs+26%3A28&version=NIV

You can't just redefine "Christian" to win a point.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/christian

Pericles, perhaps you're the real Christian here, turning the other cheek, then the other, then the other, until appeasement is reached. Good luck with that.

Practical measures must be taken by the rest of us. Separating gaol-house "mullahs" from their prison flocks is the start of it in France, and much more must be done, here too. Protecting ourselves requires compromising our privacy, and formal commitments from the Islamic leadership in Oz too, IMO.

I'll not be labelled out of the way by your PC hissy fit. Je ne suis un Christian, Je ne susi un bigot, and who's forgetting Brevik?

Dear Lego,

Thank you for supplying us with your list of what you regard as notable quotes from Jesus and Mohammed.

Why couldn't another provide a different list of what they deemed notable which might just as easily read like this;

Jesus Christ's most notable quotes are...

On peace;

“"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. "For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household."

"Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two, and two against three . . . " (Which is basically what happened when Roman Catholic Croatians slaughtered Orthodox Christian Serbs)

Instructions for his disciples to arm themselves;

“But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.

On how to plunder;

“No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.”

Demanding adulation;

“He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.”

On helping those not of his race;

“It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.”

Of course I do not think the impression left by these words are a fair representation of Jesus the man, but neither are your quotes you gave for Mohammed. We could easily play this all day, but to what end?

Dear LEGO,

"When in Rome, do as the Romans do."

These are not the words of Jesus, but of St. Ambrose, a Roman who persecuted Jews and pagans.

Brilliantly stated Steele!

In other words both holy books use metaphor extensively. Another of my favorite ones is from Paul in the Bible who talks about 'swords, breastplates, girdles' - articles of armor and weaponry to describe the the power of truth and integrity.

Jay - "Everyone knows Muslims are violent, the majority are only marginally less violent and criminally inclined than the Jihadis, they contribute nothing positive to our societies, they only take and steal" What arrant nonsense - sounds like someone living in a closet somewhere in Nazi Germany.

I've heard many other bigots rant on the same way about races; problem is they never actually knew anybody of that race / religion personally. The rant is about some imaginary demonized 'other'.
You should get to really know some Muslims in your community.