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It is Islam, not 'Islamism' : Comments

By Babette Francis, published 12/1/2015

Politicians and some Church leaders have mouthed platitudes about Islam being a religion of peace and portraying those who murder in its name as betraying the ideals of Islam.

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Secularist have consistly misrepresented Christ and His teachings for decades. Sometimes it is deliberate, other times naivety. So what chance of they of getting it right with Islam. Some fool of commentator on the radio today claiming muslims must claim back Islam. How blind can one be. Very similar ignorance whem trying to deal with Indigeneous incarceration. Every government is horrified with the number of people in prison but no horror about the amount of crime committed. Lets just get another committee together and reinforce victimhood. Add a few twisted historians and you have justifcation for never dealing with the issues.

And then we have Steelie sprouting the usual deceit about Hitler being a 'Christian'when he knows quite well he was a social darwinist. Hitler fit in well with Stalin and Mao as the High Priests of the god deniers. Don't forget that Hitler never considered the Jews people just like secularist deny the unborn are people. Gives them an excuse to act out their vile dogmas without guilt.
Posted by runner, Monday, 12 January 2015 10:52:35 PM
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Just like the author of this article, many of the contributors to this thread believe we can only 'beat' the threat of radical Islamist terrorism by following Christian religion.

What utter rubbish!
One has to wonder how the people of the world managed to survive and prosper before the apparent birth of Christ?

Runner, I would imagine that if Hitler was heard to call himself a Christian then that is what he was, whether you like it or not. There are also bad Christians in the world today.

The only way the world can beat these radical terrorists is by standing together against this violence, and that means ALL countries, cultures and religions fighting against this evil....not just the Christians.
Posted by Suseonline, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 1:06:27 AM
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Thanks SteeleRedux for you wisely chosen quotes; also Susieonline and others for pointing to how religions have been mis-used for evil ends.

The Nazis'and their Catholic Reich collaborators misused the bible and made false claims to Christianity to enable their quest for power and justify their murderous reigns - all in the quest for absolute power for themselves. Anti-Christs. Ultimately they did not prevail but they did cause unspeakable death and destruction.

We are seeing the same with ISIS and Al Qaeda and the other 'Islamist' sects - they are not God-fearing, reverent, loving people (as the great majority of Muslims and Christians are) , they are a minority of mad, murderous power-seeking thugs who are mis-using Islam as Hitler / Nazis did Christianity.

We must be very wary (Jay and Constance) not to fall for their trap by demonizing all Muslims, especially those immigrants in our own country. Cherry picking a few criminal acts by one group while ignoring those of other groups is how wars start.

We must also be aware that we in the West, led by the US have stirred up this hornets nest by our nations' criminal wars in Iraq, and together with Russia in Afghanistan. All for the motive of keeping cheap oil flowing for the 'national interest' of wasting it driving 3 tonne shopping trolleys and heating over-sized mansions.
Posted by Roses1, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 2:04:12 AM
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To Poirot and Steelredux.

Poirot, asked by Luciferase to submit any information from the New Testament that sanctions Christians to kill anybody, you submitted links from Wiki about Christians killing Christians in the English civil war. Did you hope that nobody would click on the links to discover your poor tactics?

That is stonewalling and obfuscating. When you have to stoop to dishonest tactics to answer a question, that is an indicator that you know that you are wrong, but you just won't admit it. You know that the man who invented Christianity was a pacifist who was against violence, and those who commit violence in his name are contravening his teachings. You also know that the man who invented Islam was a bloodthirsty psychopath warlord, who created a religion that sanctioned the killing of anybody who opposed his will. But you will never admit it. Because to do so would hardly conform to the leftist humanitarian belief that all religions are equal, and everybody wants to live in peace with everybody else.

If you have to use dishonest tactics to stay in the game, perhaps it is time to find a dark corner and do a bit of introspection about your whole philosophy? If you can no longer openly and honestly support your own position, it is probably because it is wrong.

To Steelredux.

The difference between the Ustashi and ISIL, is that the Ustashi were violating the written teachings of Jesus Christ, while ISIL are following the written teachings of Muhammad to the letter.

There is a fundamental difference between the Islamic religion and every other religion in the world at this time. The Islamic religion sanctions the killing of non Muslims, and it sanctions the spread of Islam by force. Since the destruction of international socialism and national socialism, Islam has become the last violent and aggressive totalitarian ideology in extant bent on world domination. And you support it, and make lame excuses for it?
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 3:29:03 AM
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Quote: We must be very wary not to fall for their trap by demonizing all Muslims, especially those immigrants in our own country. Cherry picking a few criminal acts by one group while ignoring those of other groups is how wars start.

We don't need to demonize Muslims -- they do that just fine by themselves. Then again, how can we demonize a people that have no problem with hate and violence (depending only on who does it) and consider a man that attacked his neighbors, plundered, burned crops, raped, tortured and enslaved men women and children to be a noble example. These are the beliefs of not a "few criminals" but all Muslims, but try to get one to talk about the blood that oozes from the Quran or the evil deeds of their dear prophet... If they will not admit to this, they will not fix it. Don't hold your breath.

Nobody should kick Muslims, but it is essential that we tell them that we are offended by their theology and practices. We have to tell them the things they don't want to hear. To pretend that islam and Muslims want peace is to ignore not only Islam's teachings but also conditions in Islamic societies.

I guess, then, by the logic and the writings of Muslim apologists here, that Mohammad misused Islam or maybe he wasn't even a Muslim.

After all these years, after ever terror event, we hear the same silly refrains about how Islam is being abused by a small group of radicals that don't really follow the teachings of the Quran and Mohammad.

As to "3 tonne shopping trolleys and heating over-sized mansions" I must have not gotten the delivery message, because that is sure not what I have.
Posted by kactuz, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 3:47:59 AM
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Susie

you demnstrate with your idiotic ideology why you can't accept truth. I know it makes your worldview look foolish however I would of thought you might of learn't something in the last few weeks. Obviously can't teach those who want to live in deceit.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 9:58:55 AM
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