Re the sword, fathers and daughters, etc, if Jews followed Christ it would ruin peaceful families, splitting them up with a metaphor, a sword. You don't have to be a Rhodes scholar to pick that up.

Still think you're clutching at thin straws with these references, Steele. Where is the exhortation of Christ's followers to offensive violence? No doubt tho', God is egotistical, wanting to be put before all familial relationships. Must think he's God.

Anyway, perhaps you've at least shown Christ wasn't all peaches'n'cream. Being an atheist, I'll leave others to defend his personality, but remain of the view that Muhummed and Christ were not on the same page when it came to exhorting followers to violence. Good try.

Don't get your chasuble in a twist, Luciferase.

>>I'll not be labelled out of the way by your PC hissy fit. Je ne suis un Christian, Je ne susi un bigot, and who's forgetting Brevik?<<

My remarks were directed, if you care to check, at 'one particular style of "Christian"'

>>This article is unfortunately highly typical of one particular style of "Christian". And no less depressing, for all its tendentious familiarity.<<

It is intriguing that you choose to include yourself in this category by deciding to take personal offence at its tone. Why would this be, do you think?

Fine Pericles, I've defended Christ's teachings here, so I suspected I may be one of your "particular styles" of Christian. Who would know?

I distance myself from any negative stereotyping here of Muslims as undesirable people.

And pardon my French, je ne suis pas un bigot/un Christian. Very sloppy.

@ Master cherry picker Steelredux

Nice fudge Steelie, Ismail Haniya will be well proud.

Now please give us a New Testament citation --or Christian state publication where it says, similar to the below (ie you get 72 virgins for killing enemy civilians).

"The most prominent reward that Palestinian Martyrs are repeatedly promised are the 72 Dark-Eyed Virgins in Paradise. A Palestinian religious leader explained that this is authentic Islam, whose purpose is to 'fill Muslims with desire for Paradise':
'He [Muhammad] said (in a Hadith, Islamic tradition):
‘[There is] a palace of pearls in Paradise and in it seventy courts of ruby... And in each court [there are] seventy houses of green emerald stone. In every house, seventy beds. On every bed, seventy mattresses of every color and on every mattress a woman.’ (Hadith)
The writing of the Prophet [Muhammad in this Hadith]... is intended to fill Muslims with desire for Paradise... to be worthy of it, because only three dwell there: Prophets, Righteous and Shahids (Martyrs for Allah).'
[Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Jan. 2, 2004]

The message comes from all parts of society, including religious leaders, TV news reports, schoolbooks, and even music videos. Newspapers routinely describe the death and funerals of terrorists as their “wedding.” The indoctrination has impacted so significantly on Palestinian society that mothers celebrate their sons’ death as “weddings” and some even state that their sons’ motivation to fight Israel and be killed was to reach Paradise and marry the Dark-Eyed Virgins.

This music video is an example of the PA's continuous indoctrination of this message. The longest running music video on PA TV, originally aired in 2000 and broadcast regularly in 2010, shows a male Martyr being greeted in Islam’s Paradise by dark eyed women all dressed in white. As the PA religious leader wrote, its purpose is to “fill Muslims with desire for Paradise.”

http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=565

We eagerly await your response.

Who would know indeed.

>>Fine Pericles, I've defended Christ's teachings here, so I suspected I may be one of your "particular styles" of Christian. Who would know?<<

Only you, Luciferase. Only you.

I make no judgment on the issue at all - everything has been from your own mouth, so to speak. Any labelling, as you call it, is yours and yours alone.

And there's nothing wrong with being a Christian. Many of my friends, etc...

But I still find it difficult to separate the tenor of the article here by Babette Francis, from the writings and ravings of Anders Brevik. Their intention - the fomentation of hatred against Moslems - is in all key respects identical.

Lego

You say “Christians who commit appalling acts of violence on behalf of their religion would be condemned as "un Christian" by other Christians.” Quite right. But it is also true that Muslims who commit appalling acts of violence on behalf of their religion would be condemned as "un Islamic" by other Muslims. Overwhelmingly, this has been the response from mainstream Muslim leaders and organisations.

Lego and Luciferase

In our tolerant, pluralistic and multicultural society (hurrah!) you and other Marcionite heretics are free to peddle the idea that Christians can disregard the Old Testament as scripture. But all mainstream churches – Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant – would disagree, and in the past they might have killed you for writing it. Quite ironic, really.