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It is Islam, not 'Islamism' : Comments
By Babette Francis, published 12/1/2015Politicians and some Church leaders have mouthed platitudes about Islam being a religion of peace and portraying those who murder in its name as betraying the ideals of Islam.
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Posted by Daffy Duck, Monday, 12 January 2015 11:26:04 AM
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Great article Babette. I came across that same speech by the Egyptian president. Recently. We can only hope he has an impact. He is battling with the evil Muslim Brotherhood. That is the reason for his instalment as president in the first place.
Roses1, Answer to your question – No, but we can still hope. The Koran cannot be questioned. Islam is not a religion. As a religion is meant to be spiritual. It is a 100% system of life. Islam has another agenda. More like a Theology of Terror. It is insidious and creeps into host societies. Our secular liberal society has been feeding it. Hitler was a great admirer of Islam. Also the Inquisitions happened for valid reasons, for the sake of national security and Muslim aggression. Inquisitions (Inquests) were the paradigms for our modern Western judicial systems etc that we have today. Hitler was anti-Christian and only used it for political opportunism in his propaganda. https://shariaunveiled.wordpress.com/2013/09/22/evidence-mounting-that-hitler-was-a-muslim-and-practiced-islam/ “..Hence today, I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator, by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of ALLAH.” -Adolf Hitler | Mein Kampf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler Islamic connection with Nazism http://www.globalmbwatch.com/2009/02/03/qaradawi-says-hitler-was-divine-punishment-for-jews/ • Sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawi’s “Shariah and Life” TV program reaches an estimated worldwide audience of sixty million. He is, by any measure, one of the most influential Muslims in the world. In a 2009 statement, Qaradawi called the Holocaust “a divine punishment” of Jews and prayed that, “Allah willing,” the “believers” would finish the job started by Hitler. • http://www.globalmbwatch.com/2009/02/03/qaradawi-says-hitler-was-divine-punishment-for-jews/ http://www.jewishpress.com/news/hitler-honored-in-upscale-instanbul-mall/2013/01/15/ http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Non-Muslims http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=137316 Posted by Constance, Monday, 12 January 2015 11:40:05 AM
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I'm not much into religious stuff, but I must admit the Muslims have finally convinced me.
Yep, the world will be a much better place when there are no more Muslims breathing it's air. They appear to have also finally convinced many of our previous Muslim apologists, who suddenly started to think, & thus have gone quiet. Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 12 January 2015 12:01:28 PM
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David,
I've no problem with religious groups forming political parties. The point is that in a secular democracy each voice is heard. For many people, religion forms the basis of their outlook and that should not be repressed by banning religiously-based parties. An Islamic Party's job in a secular democracy is to peacefully convince everyone that it is the way. With a policy to turn the country over to Sharia law, it would't get much support here, but it should be allowed to try, without recrimination. The cognitive dissonance for Islam is that democracy puts man's self-rule over Allah's rule. Further, there is only one god, Allah, so no party can have any other god or atheism at its basis. Just wanted to be clear about what I see as "secular democracy". Posted by Luciferase, Monday, 12 January 2015 12:03:54 PM
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Roses, The answer to your question is “no”. No!
Muslims cannot change and still be Muslims. As long as Muslims (“ the best of peoples”) accept the hate and violence against non-Muslims (you know, those "lower then animals”) propagated in the Quran , they cannot live in peace with us. Likewise, the fact that they believe Mohammad to be a great moral example and a messenger of truth without any questioning of this dogma or of his actions is another insurmountable obstacle. Unless they recognize both the evil in the Quran and the nefarious deeds of Mohammad, nothing changes. Nothing will change. Why do you think that other immigrant groups don’t have the same degree of problems that Muslims do? What is the difference between Hindu and the Muslim immigrants from India, except that the Muslims fill the jails while Hindu crime is rare? Europe is full of Latin-Americans of all colours and beliefs, yet somehow they manage to live without the hateful preachers, violent attacks, burning cars, and grooming little girls for sex . Oh what can the problem be? Also, your Onbeing article link is nothing but meaningless platitudes calling for Europeans to be more accepting of Muslims and their beliefs. The writer is not even sure if there was a religious motive in the Paris killings and chastises Europeans for not living up to their ideals. Note that Muslims are given a free pass on the evil tenets in their faith and are exempt for any required moral standards. Posted by kactuz, Monday, 12 January 2015 12:09:32 PM
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Ise Mise
"Fortunately this doesn't apply to followers of the Christ." You could have fooled me. Go back to the crusades and the Spanish inquisition. David Posted by VK3AUU, Monday, 12 January 2015 1:47:58 PM
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Which sad to say (for the future of humankind altogether) it is.
Perhaps then we should really admit where most of the toxic forms of islamic radicalism comes from. Which is of course Saudi Arabia and the fact that it finances much/most/all of the islamic mosques and schools that now exist all over the Western world. Schools where the entirely toxic form of islam is promoted.
We should then perhaps start to call out (and call to account) the powerful right-wing Westerners who have a close working business relationship with the Saudi's. And who are thereby actively supporting the Saudi's.
A suitable way to start would be by Googling:
The Bush Family and its ties to Saudi Arabia (via the Carlisle Group for instance).
Rupert Murdoch and his ties to the Saudi's too.
Glancing through the Australian every day one could almost assume that the Murdoch press has a vested interest in promoting this global warfare - after all it IS good for business!
The Bush's do of course have a long history of trading with and supporting the enemy - Prescott Bush made a lot of money doing business with the Nazis during WWII.
Meanwhile of course everyone who has bothered to do their homework knows that the September 11 "terrorist" attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were false flag exercises staged by USA government insiders - probably headed up by Darth Vader (Cheney).
By "coincidence" a member of the Bush clan was in charge of security for the trade center at the time - how convenient!
So too, most probably was the Boston marathon bombing, and maybe even the London bombing too.