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It is Islam, not 'Islamism' : Comments

By Babette Francis, published 12/1/2015

Politicians and some Church leaders have mouthed platitudes about Islam being a religion of peace and portraying those who murder in its name as betraying the ideals of Islam.

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LOl!...SPQR,

I have to admit it's so much more "profound" watching you guys cherry-pick bits from the scriptures of either faith ad nauseam "every time" this subject is raised on the forum.

I mean for how many years are you all intending to repeat the same inane process?
Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 2:32:43 PM
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Poirot,

You have this strange utopian idea that all creeds are the same and one is no worse than the other--now ask yourself is that even sensible? The real Poirot would never be so gullible --told you before change your online handle to the more fitting Ms Maple!

And as for this: <<I mean for how many years are you all intending to repeat the same inane process?>>
It's certainly not for your benefit since i firmly believe you are beyond redemption :)

PS just in case you are wondering, i dont read your links either --i got my cyber-bot to sus it out and give me an assessment :)
Posted by SPQR, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 2:41:15 PM
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SPQR,

"PS just in case you are wondering..."

Nup - can't say I was.
Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 3:16:55 PM
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Talk of Christians is irrelevant. Even if there was a general problem - which there isn't -of Christians strapping bombs to little girls and blowing up markets, and killing school children, and abducting schoolgirls by the hundreds, and raping captured women, and beheading children, and crucifying people, and killing people who don't agree with them, and getting children to shoot prisoners in the back of the head, and so on, it still wouldn't justify or excuse other people doing it, would it?

It's also irrelevant because, to the extent that Christians have persecuted anyone, they have been doing what Christ told them NOT to do, unlike Muslims who when they persecute non-Muslims, are doing what Mohammed told them God wants them to do.

Amazing the contortions of stupidity the left wing will put themselves into without shame.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 4:10:31 PM
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Jardine K. Jardine, the christian scriptures have enough places with commands about killing. The killing of "witches" certainly has a biblical basis but thankfully the christian church has motly given that up (some might be keen to start again). The persecution of homosexuals is ongoing to differing extents and has some biblical basis.

For the most part christians cope with not taking all the injunctions in the bible literally (with some very screwed up exceptions) but its been a slow process with some distance to go yet.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 8:22:10 PM
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Agnostic, atheist, Islamic was Jesus a lunatic or a liar? He asserted "If you have seen me you have seen the Father." [God] Former Muslim Egyptian Professor/Iman states in his Christian testimony ‘I was not involved in any radical groups. But one of my Muslim friends was a member of an Islamic group that was actively slaughtering Christians . . . he was active in jihad. One day I asked him, “Why are you killing our neighbors and countrymen whom we grew up with?” He was angry and astonished at my challenge. “Out of all Muslims you should know. The Christians did not accept the call of Islam, and they are not willing to pay us the jizyah (tax) to have the right to practice their beliefs. Therefore, the only option they have is the sword of Islamic law.” . . . .’ Many times I tried to rationalize the kind of Islam I was practicing by saying to myself, well, you are not too far out. After all, there are verses in the Quran about love, peace, forgiveness and compassion. You only need to ignore the part about jihad and the killing of the non-Muslims. I went to every interpretation of the Quran trying to avoid jihad and killing non-Muslims, yet I kept finding support of the practice. The scholars agreed that Muslims should enforce jihad on infidels and renegades. Yet jihad was not in harmony with other verses that spoke of living at peace with others. . . . In one place alcohol was forbidden; in another it was allowed (compare Surah 5:90–91 with Surah 47:15). In one place it says Christians are very good people who love and worship one God, so you may be friends with them (Surah 2:62, 3:113–114) . . . other verses say Christians must convert, pay tax or be killed by the sword (Surah 9:29). I wondered how Allah, almighty and all powerful, could either contradict himself so much or change his mind so much. Even the prophet of Islam, Muhammad, practiced his faith in ways that contradicted the Quran.
Posted by Citizens Initiated Action, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 8:53:53 PM
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