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Black and white flag : Comments

By Junaid Cheema, published 17/12/2014

Our way of life is under attack there is very little doubt about that, but by whom?

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JKJ,

Now that McAdam has addressed the issue with you, I have the following to support what he has already said.

Customs of societies change in time. Judging these customs with gap of millennium and more is comparing apples and oranges.

If you understand this reality, there should be no issue of the age of Aisha at the time her marriage you have been blubbing about for so many weeks now.

But given your small mind, you cannot, probably, comprehend this simple reality. This has been my reason of not taking it up with someone like you, JKJ.

Her age was NOT 9 years when the marriage was consummated and this is based on the consensus of most of the resources of the time.

The marriage took place at the marriageable age regarded by the-then society. There was not a single objection to it raised by the-then society which is a conclusive proof that it complied with the prevailing practice.

Now even if your small mind recognises time as the significant factor in customs of societies, your malicious nature will not permit you to accept it, given your posts to date.

Therefore, ANSWER my questions:

1- Do you think New Testament (NOT Judaism) is right, from current standards of its followers when it says “For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death’”( MATTHEW 15:4 NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION ); and

2- Do you think Twelve Tables (recognised as the first source of written law out of which the Roman and therefore Western laws have gradually evolved over centuries.) were right when they recognised the authority of a father over the life and death of a son and also authorise him to sell his son into slavery for a number of times.

You will probably avoid answers to these questions because of your malicious mind. But know that I will keep repeating them as you repeat yours unless you answer them.

And I will have many more and will insist on answers.
Posted by NC, Monday, 26 January 2015 8:28:08 PM
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NC

"Do you think New Testament (NOT Judaism) is right, from current standards of its followers when it says “For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death’”( MATTHEW 15:4 NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION )"

I find that question unclear. Do you mean, do *I* think those sayings are right? If that's what you mean, the answer is, no.

Or do you mean, do I think they are right from the current standards of the followers of the New Testament? If the latter, I don't understand what you mean. Please clarify?

"Do you think Twelve Tables (recognised as the first source of written law out of which the Roman and therefore Western laws have gradually evolved over centuries.) were right when they recognised the authority of a father over the life and death of a son and also authorise him to sell his son into slavery for a number of times."

No.

Do you?

(PS The English common law did not evolve out of the Twelve Tables of Rome.)
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 12:34:31 PM
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JKJ,
I will break up the first question for you

Part 1: Do you think that the New Testament says that ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death’? (MATTHEW 15:4 NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION)

Part 2: Do you think it IS OK to put to death anyone who curses his/her father or mother in the present time?

Part 3: Do you think it WAS OK to put to death anyone who cursed his/her father or mother at the time when Matthew version of Bible was prepared?

On your question: I agree with your ‘NO’.

Roman society observed a law or a custom at one point in time which is absurd in eye of a modern day society.

Do you agree?
Posted by NC, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 5:01:22 PM
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"Do you think that the New Testament says that ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death’? (MATTHEW 15:4 NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION)"

I believe so.

"Do you think it IS OK to put to death anyone who curses his/her father or mother in the present time?"

No.

"Do you think it WAS OK to put to death anyone who cursed his/her father or mother at the time when Matthew version of Bible was prepared?"

Do I think it was okay from my point of view for them to put to death anyone who cursed his or her parent at that time? No.

Do I think it was okay from their point of view? Yes.

"Roman society observed a law or a custom at one point in time which is absurd in eye of a modern day society. Do you agree?"

Yes.

So what?
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 7:48:23 PM
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JKJ,

I understand from you that:

1- You agree that the New Testament orders sons or daughters be killed who curse their parents.

2- You think that sons or daughters who curse their parents should NOT be put to death.

3- But you also think that it was ok from their point of view (about 2000 years ago) to kill sons and daughter who curse their parents.

I will come to your what?, after I get a clarification on your answer:

Why do you think it was ok to kill sons and daughters who cursed their parents about 2000 years ago and why the same thing is not ok today?
Posted by NC, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 4:46:58 PM
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NC,

Do you think that it is OK to kill homosexuals and serial fornicators??
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 5:28:36 PM
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