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Black and white flag : Comments

By Junaid Cheema, published 17/12/2014

Our way of life is under attack there is very little doubt about that, but by whom?

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Jardine,
Your question about the age of Mother Aisha, may God be pleased with her, at the time of Marriage, is based on assumption that marriage was consummated at the age of 9 years; different ages are recorded in different traditions.

What is the point?
Have you read your Bible? What is the permissible marriageable age, as per Bible?

Why did you not respond to my post dated 5 January 2015, 12:58:42 AM; "In the Bible, if a girl is old enough to menstruate, then she can be a wife," (Extract from the report filed by Ashley Fantz, CNN, April 14, 2011 9:23 a.m. EDT)

The way you word your questions, shows utter lack of respect for Islam. While your Pope says "one cannot make fun of faith, "There is a limit. Every religion has its dignity ... in freedom of expression there are limits."

Let me remind you of my post of 27 December last year; "Jardine,
I had suggested that we close the forum because you and others on your sides were repetitive, indicating not having anything new to add."

You were repetitive last month. See for yourself, where you stand today; exactly where you were a month ago.
The discussion has since moved on and you appear to have suddenly awakened from your slumber and wish to drag the discussion back. Is it not sheer waste of time? Can you can see it? Others can.
Posted by McAdam, Sunday, 25 January 2015 3:20:04 PM
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Did Aisha's father not object to her marriage to Muhammad?
Wasn't her father over ruled by that worthy?

Still, as I remarked elsewhere, he did let her play with her dolls after he bedded her.

She might have been a big girl for her age and able to carry a full goatskin of water.
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 25 January 2015 9:12:58 PM
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The Ignorants!

Clearly we have some in this Forum who are bent upon exposing their ignorance:-

1. Ignorance of their own Scripture; " if a girl is old enough to menstruate, then she can be a wife,".

2. Ignorance of their own religious history; " There are two opinions in the Midrash as to how old Rebecca was at the time of her marriage. According to the traditional counting cited by Rashi, Isaac was 37 years old at the time of the Binding of Isaac; Sarah, who gave birth to Isaac when she was 90, died immediately after the binding when she was 127 years old, making Isaac around 37 at that time. News of Rebecca's birth reached Abraham immediately after that event. Isaac was 40 years old when he married Rebecca, making Rebecca 3 years old at the time of her marriage.According to the second opinion, Rebecca was 14 years old at the time of their marriage."

3. Ignorance of the fact, that this vain and out of context discussion about the prophets of God serves no purpose to the topic.

4. Ignorance of the current events. They pursue the superfluous and the obvious and have no vision to encompass that the current terrorism is rooted primarily in geopolitical reasons.

5. Ignorance of the development of discussion of this Forum; contributors from both sides since agree that the tussle in the region is about "oil "and not that much about religion.

5. Ignorance of reality and fixation with the hate literature that they think has empowered them and are bent upon pursuing it, in spite of its proven irrelevance to the topic under discussion and the topic being, a terrorist act by an individual should not be used as a license to harass the whole community.

It is punishment in itself, that they themselves have bared their ignorance to all. They brought in upon themselves and can't even see, others can.

What should others do with them. I have been taught by QURAN 7:199; "Keep to forgiveness (O Muhammad), and enjoin kindness, and turn away from the ignorant"(Pickthall, translation)
Posted by McAdam, Monday, 26 January 2015 2:17:15 AM
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The difference being that no one in Christendom tries to argue for child marriage today because of a few instances in the largely irrelevant Old Testament, however child brides are common in Islam and the justification is always the Qur'an and the example of the Prophet.

Not all of today's old husbands let their little wives play with their dolls, which is a pity because it robs them of part of their childhood.
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 26 January 2015 7:21:36 AM
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McAdam

It's not that I'm being repetitive, it's that you're being evasive. Answer the question honestly and directly and I won't have to keep asking you.

Stop retorting Judaism at me, stop trying to squirm out of it, and answer the question.

Do you think it's okay for a 54 year-old man to have sex with a 9-year old girl, or not?
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Monday, 26 January 2015 11:08:22 AM
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Claiming that child marriages are exclusive to Muslim societies, is insistence on ones ignorance:-

1. According to UNICEF's "State of the World's Children-2009" report, 47% of India's women aged 20–24 were married before the legal age of 18, with 56% marrying before age 18 in rural areas. The report also showed that 40% of the world's child marriages occur in India.

2. Child marriage is common in Latin America and the Caribbean island nations. About 29% of girls are married before age 18.The child marriage varies between the countries, with Dominican Republic, Honduras, Brazil, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Haiti and Ecuador reporting some of the highest rates in the Americas.

3. According to UNICEF, Africa has the highest incidence rates of child marriage, with over 70% of girls marrying under the age of 18.

4. The countries with the highest observed rates of child marriages below the age of 18 are Niger, Chad, Mali, Bangladesh, Guinea and the Central African Republic, with a rate above 60%. Niger, Chad, Bangladesh, Mali and Ethiopia were the countries with child marriage rates greater than 20% below the age of 15, according to 2003-2009 surveys.

5. Child marriage, as defined by UNICEF, includes cohabitation. According to a 2010 report by National Center for Health Statistics, an agency of the government of United States, 2.1% of all girls in the 15-17 age group were in a child marriage.

6. Ariel Durant, co- author of 11 volumes of The Story of Civilization and a number of other books, married her teacher William Durant at the age of fifteen and roller skated to her wedding.

Reality is that child marriage is a world wide problem. US has mobilize world opinion against this menace and it is illegal world wide. Still a concerted and sustained effort, would be required to fully eradicate it from the world.

Using Child marriage as a stick to beat Muslims and Islam with, is both factually incorrect and mischievous. No one should ridicule others as "Ridicule is more bitter than killing" Khalil Gibran.

Jardine, I answered you already. Kindly read my post carefully.
Posted by McAdam, Monday, 26 January 2015 1:03:23 PM
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