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By Junaid Cheema, published 17/12/2014Our way of life is under attack there is very little doubt about that, but by whom?
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Posted by McAdam, Friday, 19 December 2014 10:20:08 AM
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theHypocrisy - Yeah, I wonder how I got the words ‘raid’ and ‘terror’ into Quran7:4. Maybe I made the verse up – you know what the Quran says about those evil, deceitful, untrustworthy infidels. Oh wait, what is all non-Muslims, including Australian nonbelievers, the ones you call “decent”. So which is it? Decent (you) or “lower than animals” (Allah)?
By the way, have you ever heard of Pickthal? To humour you I submit some translations: Yusuf Ali: How many towns have We destroyed (for their sins)? Our punishment took them on a sudden by night or while they slept for their afternoon rest. Pickthal: How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them. Khalifa: Many a community we annihilated; they incurred our retribution while they were asleep, or wide awake. Mohammad Asad: And how many a [rebellious] community have We destroyed, with Our punishment coming upon it by night, or while they were resting at noontide! So Hypo, feel better now? Notice anything? From these 4 translations and all others I checked, it seems that Allah and Muslims are bragging about attacking villages of non-Muslims by surprise and killing them. Now why would anybody use the words “raid” and “terror” in that context? As to changing my ‘nickname’, the first thing I do everyday when I awake is to think of a new name to use. You are so clever. So you refuted my arguments, did you? I must have missed that post. I pretty much try to quote or reference the Quran and hadith, in case you haven’t noticed, so please tell me exactly what passages are incorrect, distorted, invented, refuted. Hypo, you should understand that Islam’s own writings are a gold mine for any critic of Islam, followed closely by the behavior of Muslims. If you want to play the ‘old out of context’ or ‘bad translation’ game, I am good with that too. Also, have you ever notice the inconsistencies in Quran translations and how they add words to make it nicer? Posted by kactuz, Friday, 19 December 2014 2:29:08 PM
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Camo,
Proof: * He proclaimed that he was a Muslim, of the pro-IS variety: * he swore allegiance to IS; * he forced hostages to hold up an Islamic flag; * he called himself a sheikh; * he used the standard no-guilt excuse so beloved of terrorists and psychopaths, that the police made him do it; * for all I know, he had 'there is no god but Allah' tattooed on one ball, and 'and Muhammad is his messenger' on the other; * he used terror, indiscriminate taking of hostages in a random and easy place for taking hostages, random killing of defenceless hostages - standard tactics for terrorists. That does it for me. What might do it for you ? Evidence is there, it smacks you in the eye. Your prejudice would deny, come hell or high water, any evidence. So what's the point of engaging with you ? McAdam, Amazing logic ! So the acts of a terrorist are somehow the work of Nazis and racists ? Just a little psychotic :) Perhaps you should see a shrink, not that that would do much good. Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Friday, 19 December 2014 2:59:39 PM
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Hi Joe,
Just popped in to this thread and saw your questions posed: "This raises questions: do Muslims, i.e. devout Muslims, have a concept of guilt ? Only of being victimised ? Do they think they can do no wrong, it's just the world picking on them ?" Yes. This is a very important factor you raise - they have no concept of guilt. Nor do they have the Golden Rule of "Love Thy Neighbour". It's made me think more about the Catholic Guilt. They have a very different mentality to the West with its Christian roots. Good Samaritans in Islam - definitely not to Non Muslims. BTW, I sent you a timeline of Muslim invasions in Europe - there are plenty of reasons for the Crusades. Posted on that thread of Valerie whatshername. I found it somewhere and can't vouch how accurate it is, but will do for now. Posted by Constance, Friday, 19 December 2014 4:48:49 PM
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NC,
Sorry, looks like you are wrong about George Bernard Shaw. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/ads-for-islam-misquote-shaw-from-bogus-book/story-fn59niix-1226676192844?nk=7ba115166f01f0d18fde4f0376cfb897 "The advertisements quote Shaw proclaiming the prophet Mohammed was "the saviour of humanity" in a book he is supposed to have written entitled The Genuine Islam. But International Shaw Society treasurer Richard F Dietrich said he had compiled a complete list of Shaw's works, which did not include the book. "I think The Genuine Islam is bogus," he said. In his writings, Shaw described the religion in a 1933 letter to Rev Ensor Walters as "ferociously intolerant"." "You spoke on Philosophy of Peace, but as a Muslim it would have been more appropriate if you had delivered a lecture on the Philosophy of War, for Islam doubtless was spread at the point of the sword," Shaw is quoted as having said" Posted by Constance, Friday, 19 December 2014 7:36:46 PM
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Posted by The Camo, Friday, 19 December 2014 7:55:59 PM
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I think the world needs more like him and pray that I have the ability to be good and loving to my fellow human beings and other creatures.
I think majority would join me in this prayer.