Arjay, do also believe CO2 emissions are causing global warming?

Can you cope with knowing AGW IPCC science has not measured and assessed photosynthesis linked warmth in ocean algae plant matter proliferated by unprecedented sewage and land use nutrient overload pollution?
Can you believe plant matter in oceans has not been fully or properly studied?

Can you believe shortfall in supply of food from oceans and rivers is linked to unprecedented hardship and civil unrest?

Do you understand that land and food shortages and hard times are known to be linked to extreme violence and war?

How can war on terror be won or stopped if chronic poverty and collapse of affordable food supply is virtually ignored, ignored while supposedly sensible humans focus on 9/11 not being real?

Can't even have sensible debate here, 9/11 non-sense has arrived.

9/11 needs to be relegated to history.

JF since you cannot argue the facts of 911 you digress to AGW? Let's address one lie at a time. http://www.ae911truth.org/
http://patriotsquestion911.com/

Here you will see General Wesley Clarke tell of the planned invasion by the USA of Middle Eastern countries over a decade ago. Only Iran and Syria with the aid of Russian defence, have escaped Iraq's fait. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

The Twin Towers were brought down by explosives planted by the CIA. There is no such group as 'al Qa'ida'. That's just a CIA invention. So there's no such thing as 'ISIS', that's all a fabrication. Or 'Boko Haram', or 'al-Shabbab', or 'al Qa'ida in the Maghreb', or 'al Qa'ida in the Yemen', or 'Huzb-ut-Tahrir', or the 'Pakistani Taliban' - there all CIA constructs.

So with the average of a couple of bombings each week since 2001, every one of them has been arranged by the CIA. Clever b@stards.

Is that how it works, Arjay ?

Joe

Perhaps the 'big picture' that no one wants to look at involves an all-out war between head-hacking Muslims and the nuclear-armed, insatiably-greedy, barbaric 'Christian' West!

Of course, Pakistan has nukes so that complicates the otherwise neat picture somewhat along with North Korea and the rise and rise of Russia and China.

It's hard to be optimistic given these factors especially when the U.S., behind the scenes, is determined to gain total control of the world militarily and economically.

"Withhold any amazement at the strangely gallied whales before us, for there is no folly of the beasts of earth which is not infinitely outdone by the madness of men."
(Herman Melville, Moby Dick)

Gawd, this thread really got itself worked up !
Arjay is right about the third building collapsing.
It was shown on TV when it happened and many times since.
It was just across the street from one of the towers.
I have never heard an explanation as to why it collapsed.

Yes, it is not a new war, it is just a continuation of the war started 1400 years ago.
Because of the nature of Islam it has difficulty in running a mixed economy of agriculture and industry.
It supports itself by levying the jaziz (spelling ?) tax on unbelievers.
Overtime those paying the tax either convert to Islam because they cannot afford the tax
or they leave. This depleting tax gives rise to discontent and rebellion.

Most people have a reversed idea of what the crusades were about.
The Islamists invaded the Levant and murdered their Jewish and Christian populations.
So the Christians in the west invaded the middle east to stop them.
Does that sound familiar ?

As to our current outbreak, if they can break the supply of food to the IS
then they will either surrender of dissipate in a couple of weeks.
Large quantities of food must be transported by trucks on roads.
Remember what Napolean said;
"An army marches on its stomach !".

There is one catch to this, we know what type of people we are dealing with.
They might start eating the population of the towns they hold.