Ojnab - I challenged you to supply some proof that you have read 'articles from around the world' discussing Tony Abbotts mismanagement of Australia. I made a bet you wouldn't be able to even provide one link.

You didn't provide a link but instead said I should be reading Slate.com, the contrarian news. I went to the Slate website and I couldn't find any mention of Tony Abbott's management.

If you think David G is always right about everything he says its proof you are both living in la-la land. Give up whatever it is you are smoking, its making you paranoid.

Evidence of substance indicates war on terrorism will continue until solutions to causes of the terrorism are identified and put in place.
Causes have to be seen and debated but economists don't like negative criticism.
Causes are economic hardship, especially mass unemployment among Middle East youth.
Facts of 9/11 should include reference to economic hardship that drove poor people to support wealthy Osama Bin Laden.

Prior to 9/11 I saw a TV interview with Saddam Hussein warning an attack might occur in the US if problems in the Middle East were not urgently addressed.
Yes, the US would have known trouble was brewing and that it would be best to attack ME countries first, so plans for an attack may have existed. And it took 9/11 to occur before the US did attack.

The economic problems causing unrest in the Middle East have still not been addressed. It’s not just a matter of oil barons keeping the money, just look at how Dubai failed in building a city as a way of developing a thriving economy.
People at the bottom of the economy need properly paid jobs in order to pay for cost of modern day living, especially rising cost of food.
Cost of food is rising due to increasing demand and shortfall in supply.
At one stage during years of my research into world fish depletion, according to ABARE the cost of fish was rising five times faster than cost of red meat and poultry.
And in nearby Solomon Islands during the 2013 Christmas holidays, the cost of fish was higher than cost of chicken for the first time in the history of that nation.
According to evidence of substance the worldwide shortfall in supply of affordable food from oceans and rivers and lakes is occurring due to the same cause that is warming some areas of the oceans, the cause is unprecedented sewage and land use nutrient overload pollution that is proliferating algae.
Algae is continuing to devastate food web nurseries and food sustainability, so consequential hardship and terrorism will surely continue and worsen until governments realize.

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Algae is impacting weather, rainfall, storm damage, floods, crop production.

There is now so much algae it’s even causing anoxia, causing ocean and lake and river dead zones.

The highest recorded sea level rise on the US coast is located in the Gulf of Mexico where the world’s biggest ocean dead zone is located. These dead zones are not caused by CO2 but consequences of them are causing hardship even in the US.

AGW has to come into debate about terrorism because world food supply and sustainability is linked to algae, not CO2.
The “G” in AGW requires more science. The warming as in AGW is not global at the same time, it’s areas of ocean that are sometimes warmed more than usual, sometimes causing weather change in one area but not globally at the same time.

The anomaly being found in ocean temperature is not an anomaly if ocean algae plant matter is factored into climate science.
Factor in algae by looking closely at the pinpoints of cloud forming almost parallel above algae during apparent precipitation. The pinpoints lead to bigger clouds and obvious weather change that can be seen occurring. Here: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/view.php?id=40716

Bering Sea weather is linked to the Jet Stream, tornadoes and hurricanes. Damage too.
Farmers need rain but not too much, not so much cloud, or imbalance involving drought.
Sure, farmers can produce food but at what cost to consumers without enough money? Farmers need low cost fishmeal and fertilizer, guano for example. Costs are skyrocketing.

Seafood used to be virtually free of production cost. Check cost of fish and meat these days. Consider known consequences of food and land shortage and economic hardship, food riots and unaffordable food, instead of wasting time about 9/11 conspiracy and CO2 non-sense.

Empirical evidence indicates the so called war on terrorism cannot be won until the cause of economic hardship and irritability and unrest linked to hunger, is addressed and overcome.
ISIS may be overcome but not the terrorism, not until causes are overcome.

John C Fairfax.

P.S.
Controlled demolition:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc7.html

J F Aust a very good article, the way one sees what is happening now is to curtail people all over the world to limit how many children they have, but of course this will never happen, anger is noticed by the poorer of society in how they demonstrate their frustration in many ways, such as house break ins, bashings, no work, a feeling of being an outcast, etc, these are happening all over Australia and daresay the whole world, we then have Governments who are more interested in looking after wealthy mates than the ordinary people, frustration then leads to violence, if nobody in the upper echelon will not listen to my cries of despair then the creation of gangs leading to the huge problems we now have overseas, then hatred builds more hatred and it becomes a world wide problem with wars between the rich and poor. I am sure if we all who write to OLO and had to sleep on cement at night, begging for food, dirty clothes, no showers, we then would look for someone somewhere who could lead us to a better life, one only hopes that sometime in the future wars will be no more and all people will enjoy life, not as it is now.
OLO has its battles between writers, which is good, but goes to show just how angry we all can become, (small wars) what hope has the world got?

Onjab,

That's a terribly sad story. Begging for food, no showers, dirty clothes.

Have you tried fruit-picking ? Hard but honest work, and it provides a fair wage :)

Joe

The problem of the Middle East is poor management, religious division and an absence of democracy.
This is all made worse by their custom of marrying their cousins generation after generation.
Aside from the genetic effects it keeps the tribe very tightly contained.
There is little chance of national unity, no matter how the borders are redrawn.
They are cursed by Allah, the Koran and their rulers and there is nothing the west can do about it.
I think the minority peoples in Iraq & Syria are doomed.
Their populations have been decimated of the centuries from being the majority to their
now minority only permitted to live as the gift of the Islamists.

That will be our fate if we do not learn from history.