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Palestine – Israel takes off the gloves : Comments

By David Singer, published 22/7/2014

Israel cannot possibly return to the situation that has prevailed since Israel's 2005 disengagement from Gaza that has seen 11000 rockets and missiles indiscriminately fired into Israeli civilian areas.

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Just a footnote on Steeleredux's source --Scoop media:

"Well I already found it laughable how Scoop called themselves something like “New Zealand’s INDEPENDENT NEWS” in their banner, above stories that were always just blatantly fellating the left and the hard left, and parroting their talking points. It just felt like an insult to my intelligence as a reader, probably the main reason I never bothered much with Scoop. At least the brothers and sisters at The Standard are honest about what they are."
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/01/where_to_for_scoop.html

As I observed once before when you see a source/site calling itself "índepedent" it usually means its somewhere left of Pol Pot.

But who would have thought that Steeleredux would resort dredging up guff from such a site, eh?
Posted by SPQR, Saturday, 26 July 2014 3:49:20 PM
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Lol oh dear SPQR you keep getting twisted arse about don't you. David Singer was the one who first posted from this site claiming;

“To confirm what is happening with Erez and Keren Shalom crossings please read this additional piece of what you will no doubt dismiss as "disinformation". “

So when your paragon of factual information Mr David Singer chose to post from it there was not a peep from you but when I pin him down with a report from exactly the same site you attack with “But who would have thought that Steeleredux would resort dredging up guff from such a site, eh?”

The only logical conclusion we can make is that your attempts to besmirch any information contrary to your view has you doing ludicrous contortions that put you in an exceedingly poor light. At least Singer has a touch more subtlety to his bloated bias.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 26 July 2014 4:25:17 PM
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Avw

'You are unable to respond to any of the flaws I pointed out in your posts.'

Whatever you say, Avw. Think whatever you like. I'm under no obligation to 'respond' to you or to anyone else here. On OLO, I choose only to debate with people whose opinions I respect.

I’ve made it clear why I refuse to be drawn into any tit-for-tat exchange of supposed 'reasoned arguments' and 'evidence' to justify the horror of what Israel has been doing to Palestine for several decades. Israel’s current brutality in Gaza is so bestial and ruthless, and yet conducted with such embarrassing international impunity, it defies any form of 'reasonable' discussion and can no longer be justified by so-called 'evidence' (especially when so much of it is dubious and biased).

In fact, to do so, simply adds justification to something utterly unjustifiable.

Secondly, I also refuse to be drawn into discussions about Hitler. I’ve made this point before on OLO. I despise Godwin’s Law rhetoric and refuse to engage with it. There is a great deal written about the farcical ‘election’ that handed power to the Nazis in 1933, which completely destroys even remotely calling what happened either a democratic or electoral process.

So please don't insult either my intelligence or your own by throwing me more pathetic Wiki links.
Posted by Killarney, Saturday, 26 July 2014 9:05:24 PM
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So David your instructions are to ignore the reports and to avoid answering any questions regarding Israel's refusal or the conditions intended and put forward by John Kerry.

Right

Your instructions in regard to this post will be to ignore it and talk about anything else.
Right?

And your instructions in regard to that statement will be .....

Christ you make me laugh you are so bloody shallow and obvious.
Posted by imajulianutter, Sunday, 27 July 2014 10:38:33 AM
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Killarney,

You are indeed under no obligation to respond to anyone. It might even be considered a clever strategy by some to refrain from responding once your claims are challenged and you are unable to address those challenges.

"Israel's current brutality in Gaza…cannot be justified by so-called evidence..."

There is so much evidence refuting your claims of brutality that I fully understand your reluctance to discuss it any further. The source of brutality in Gaza is Hamas, and as long as they are in power there will be no end to the suffering in that corner of the world.

You were the one who raised the issue of Hamas having been "democratically elected". I appreciate your attempt to dodge this glaring similarity to the Nazis by calling on Goodwin's Law, but if you cannot see the parallel between the two then you really ought to work on your analytical skills.
The Nazi rise to power was based on democratic elections to a parliament that they eventually hijacked by eliminating all opposition. It was no different to the farcical elections in Gaza where Hamas was elected and then proceeded to eliminate any opposition. If you do not agree with the Wikipedia links please go to any library and borrow a history book about the rise of the Nazis to power. Let me know if it contradicts the events depicted in those "pathetic" Wiki articles.
If you are not comfortable discussing Germany of the 1930s due to your apparent lack of knowledge on the subject, pick any other totalitarian regime you are familiar with. Regardless of how they came to power, the result is the same: Hamas is a brutal, tyrannical regime that could not care less about the welfare of its people. By siding with and praising it you are harming the cause of ordinary Palestinians, condemning them to continue their life of anguish under this ruthless regime.
Posted by Avw, Sunday, 27 July 2014 10:57:58 AM
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Dear Imajulianutter,

<<You show a total disregsrd for the foundation of western society and why it is so successful and relatively free from the instuitionslised intolerance of Jewish Israel ( which you show you and your family support) and the intolerance of the muslim extremists. Try to understand the subulties in this and you will see why the west loves secularism and democracy.

And are so unlike you mid eastern religious nutjobs.>>

It is true that I disregard the foundation of Western society, just as you show total disregard for spelling. This is no secret as I have been discussing those issues long enough on OLO, urging for deeper and better foundations.

But what, other than a feeble attempt to attack me personally, has this to do with this topic or with my former post?

And by-the-way, while I support Israel's continued existence and military might, so it can defend my family, I do not support its institutionalised intolerance. In fact, I abhor it.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 27 July 2014 2:32:56 PM
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