#Plantaganet

If all the ITIC Reports are Israel Security Agency Shin Bet/Shabak disinformation why have you used their statistics of Gazan civilian deaths?

Are you suggesting the EU did not make the statement and that the crossings have not remained open during Operation Protective Edge as ITIC has reported?

Give us the evidence to substantiate your claims.

Here is a verbatim extract from the EU declaration

"The EU strongly condemns the indiscriminate firing of rockets into Israel by Hamas and militant groups in the Gaza Strip, directly harming civilians. These are criminal and unjustifiable acts. The EU calls on Hamas to immediately put an end to these acts and to renounce violence. All terrorist groups in Gaza must disarm. The EU strongly condemns calls on the civilian population of Gaza to provide themselves as human shields.

The EU condemns the loss of hundreds of civilian lives, among them many women and children. While recognizing Israel's legitimate right to defend itself against any attacks, the EU underlines that the Israeli military operation must be proportionate and in line with international humanitarian law.

The EU stresses the need for protection of civilians at all times. The EU is particularly appalled by the human cost of the Israeli military operation in Shuja'iyya, and is deeply concerned at the rapidly deteriorating humanitarian situation. All sides must meet their obligations and immediately allow safe and full humanitarian access in Gaza for the urgent distribution of assistance. The EU calls on all sides to implement in good faith an immediate cease fire."

To confirm what is happening with Erez and Keren Shalom crossings please read this additional piece of what you will no doubt dismiss as "disinformation"

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1407/S00214/summary-of-civilian-assistance-from-israel-to-gaza.htm

You are rapidly becoming no better than the miserable mob of Israel bashers who frequent OLO in droves and make claims that they are unable to substantiate when challenged

Pete, you are wasting your time trying to reason with Singer. He will cherry pick all day long and when you refuse to descend to his juvenile level you will be accused of refusing to respond!

In all the huffing and puffing it is easy to lose sight of the essential facts. A lot of them have already been canvassed in this thread of comments. I will just emphasize two more.

Gaza has been subject to a stranglehold for a very long time. Its borders are closed, and not just with Israel. Its political leaders cannot travel freely abroad. It is denied essential supplies, what one Israeli Minister was quoted as saying they were on a "diet".

Since 1967 Israel has continued to illegally occupy Palestinian land (quite apart from other land thefts over the past decades. They have repeatedly ignored international demands to leave.

For this and all the other reasons set out by multiple commenters on this thread Israel has behaved and continues to behave as an international outlaw. It does so because it is secure in the knowledge that it enjoys the unqualified protection of the USA.

They are a disgrace to the international community and Singer by his constant apologia for the unforgivable places himself outside the limits of civil discourse. As I said earlier, why
Graeme continues to give such space to such unmitigated drivel is beyond understanding.

David

Don't become too excitable, nor revert to gloating. It ill becomes a lawyer or spokesman for Israel.

This event http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2704943/Aussie-teen-suicide-bomber-killed-FIVE-people-Iraq-named-Adam-Dahman-family-believe-hes-alive.html has given me pause that ultimately the threats to Israel may become the threats to Australia.

What has been disturbing has been the number of deaths of Palestinian non-combatants and the the potential for Netanyahu to politically gain from a state of war. Yet Israel does have the right to defend itself.

I'll stick to what I'm best at - which includes assessing the nuclear capabilities of Israel's Dolphin flotilla.

And with the hope that you refrain from your typical gloating, exit the irresolvable issue of Israel vs the rest.

Cheers

Pete

Dear David

It must be great concern to you that the droves are increasing and asking increasingly difficult questions about Israeli aggression and war crimes.

And of course you won't address those questions and will merely criticize those who ask them as Israeli haters.

Israel last night, AFP reported, rejected John Kerry's peace proposal part of which required the lifting of the blockade of Gaza and addressing the broader Palestinian issues.

Care to explain Israels refusal to endorse these very reasonable proposals?

Are you awaiting your instructionsDavid?

So you get your response right?

From the same website David Singer used earlier and this is happening as this is written;

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July 26

Breaking: Israel shelling Beit Hanoun Hospital in Gaza now

The Israeli military have started to shell and shoot at Beit Hanoun hospital. There are still 61 medical staff and civilians, three patients and two International Solidarity Movement volunteers trapped inside.

"It's now chaos, the military is shelling directly at us. There are two patients on the second floor and we think they're okay, but we can't move them easily as they're bed-bound. I'm bleeding from a head wound and there's another person injured. People are very frightened." Stated Fred Ekblad, Swedish ISM activist.

At 19:00, Beit Hanoun Hospital was first hit by an Israeli tank shell and the shooting and shelling has continually increased.

This afternoon, Israeli forces destroyed an ambulance in Beit Hanoun, killing one paramedic and critically injuring another.

Israeli forces have attacked three Gazan medical facilities and personnel in the last 24 hours. The first resulted in the destruction of Al Durrah Children’s Hospital in Gaza City last night. A two year-old child in the Intensive Care Unit was killed, and 30 others injured.

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http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1407/S00288/breaking-israel-shelling-beit-hanoun-hospital-in-gaza.htm