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The narrative developed by investigation of the fossil record and other indications of the development of life is much more magnificent than the creation story in Genesis or in any other tales or writings of primitive peoples.

Upon reflection we can consider existence as a concatenation of wonders. It is a wonder that anything is here at all, that our heart keeps beating and pumping blood around our body, that organisms have released sufficient free oxygen into the atmosphere so we can breathe it, that our ancestors inventing reading and writing, that Shelley wrote, “the lone and level sands stretch far away.”

I am satisfied that our autonomic nervous system that keeps us functioning without conscious thought, our capacity for abstract thought, our ability to order parts of our body to scratch and itch or empty our bladder, our sensations of ‘good’ smells and ‘bad’ smells and the other functions we have are products of our biology.
You also wrote: ”A more plausible explanation of why did humanity develop, say, relativity and quantum physics, is in order to survive as a species in the future, lest humanity meets the fate of dinosaurs, when a meteorite arrives.”

The above seems completely implausible to me.

Here I may introduce two concepts along with my definitions of them. Knowledge and Wisdom.

Knowledge is finding out and knowing how things work. From the facts we make generalisations and hypothesis. These generalisations and hypotheses serve to encourage us to seek further facts which either reinforce or contradict the generalisations and hypotheses. If they reinforce the generalisations and hypotheses we continue gathering more facts. If they contradict the generalisations and hypotheses we make new generalisations and hypotheses. Then we continue the process.
I believe the above can be applied to seeking food, doing science, researching history or making money.

I think curiosity to gain the knowledge of how things work drove Einstein and Heisenberg not any desire to help mankind survive in the future.

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Wisdom is more difficult to define. Wisdom can be defined as knowing what is important. Some things we have to do to survive. Some things we are driven to do. Those are imperatives. In other areas we make choices. Making good choices involves deciding what is important. William James defined wisdom as knowing what to overlook.

Knowledge is universal. Relativity and quantum mechanics do not depend on the individual. If someone other than Einstein had developed relativity the idea of it would have been the same. However, what is wisdom for you is not necessarily wisdom for me. Not only does wisdom vary from person to person but it is not the same at different times in a person’s life.

I assume it is wise for me to spend time writing this post to you. It serves not only to keep contact with a fellow human being who I think is worthwhile but also to formulate my own thoughts.

Keeping in mind the difference between knowledge and wisdom above I regard the Bible as a source of wisdom but not of knowledge. One of the problems with biblical fundamentalism is that fundamentalists regard the Bible as a source of both knowledge and wisdom.

At present I am reading “Where shall wisdom be found” by Harold Bloom. I will not live long enough to read all the works of all the sources that Bloom mentioned although I hope to have read all of Shakespeare’s plays. It is reasonable to assume that it would be wise not to read all the works of all the sources that Bloom mentioned.

As sources of wisdom Bloom writes of Job, Ecclesiastes, Plato, Homer, Cervantes, Shakespeare, Montaigne, Frances Bacon, Samuel Johnson, Goethe, Emerson, Nietzsche, Freud, Proust, the Gospel of Thomas and Saint Augustine. I have read things written by those sources, and no doubt Bloom will pick other writings from those I would have picked.

I would add Spinoza, James Joyce, George Eliot and Karl Popper to Bloom’s list. If I were more familiar with east Asian cultures I could add some of those.

re-post..with the suspect..link disabled

what have i done wrong?

i posted..details..of a theory..at off site link
http://www.celestinevision.com/celestine/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15136#15136

now get the same error message
since confirmed..everyone..got the same message
[general opinion is its..site is offline..in itself rather strange..

but systematic..of what happens every-time
i try to explain..things more fully..but its..the first time they took..a whole site..off line..so i disable suspect link..and re-post..that i asked graham..to delete..

just in case

BUT THE END_POINT..is vital*

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<<Split-Half Reliability:..A measure of consistency..where a test is split in two..and the scores for each half..of the test is compared with one another.

If the test is consistent..it leads the experimenter..to believe that it is most likely measuring..the same thing...This is not to be confused with validity..where the experimenter is interested...if the test measures..what it is suppose to measure.

A test that is consistent..most likely is measuring something;*!*
..the experimenter just..does not know what..that "something" is. This is why it is said..that reliability*..sets the ceiling of validity

plus this document
http
DISABLED..just in case..[ie the formula]

//www.google.com.au/url?q=http://psyc.columbusstate.edu/richman/Test%2520and%2520Meas/Chapter%25206%2520Reliability.doc&sa=U

i..noted it..after didnt attribute it..but then..found..i couldnt access page..to even edit

im used to weird.,.but..this seems weirder than usual

clicking on any option..to access..the site
gives us..that error message..

[if its a message..to/me..that wont stop me..
it..only stop..where it gets posted..loosing only that..already posted]..such..is life..next comes its karma*

Dear Banjo,

Thank you for those great youtube selections of Edith and Barbara. I listen to one and then take time to absorb it. Then I may listen to the same one again or go on to another.

I love the sound of French. When I visited my grandparents we used to get French language stations as Quebec was not far off. I couldn’t understand the words, but I liked the sound of the voices and the music. My mother knew French before she knew English even though she was born in the United States. Her Yiddish speaking parents lived in a remote village where everyone else was French Canadian. She learned English when she went to a one-room school house.

My daughter is a bright girl. She was a national merit scholar and also won a scholarship to NYU which included a junior year at the Sorbonne. I visited her in Paris the day Mitterand got elected. The cabbies were honking their horns in joy. Rebecca and I had lurched from one pastry shop to another sampling the wares.

That reminds me of a French short story. A women had four husbands who all died within six months of the marriage, and a detective was assigned to investigate. He found out that the woman was a wonderful cook and a sexual genius. The men all apparently died of natural causes as they could not survive their good treatment. Having found the cause of their demise the detective married her.

On October 31 I will be 88 and at least hope to eat some good pastry.

My oldest son’s wife is named Monique and was born in Neuilly. She went to Brazil as a teenager. If you get the radio stream from WMUA, the University of Amherst’s station, on your computer at 12pm on Thursday you will hear Melanie, their younger daughter, and her 2&1/2 hour radio program, Cafè Brazil. Melanie and her sister are fluent in French, Portuguese and English.

On reflection I should have added Camus to those on the wisdom list.

miracles..are,,unstable,..but..perfectly consistent,.i.e.,..it does not occur..predictably across time,and..rarely occurs..in comparable forms...*But..within ITSELF*..it/is perfectly consistent.

Since..it contains..NOTHING BUT..an acknowledgment..of equality..and worth,..all parts..ARE equal...This establishes..the prerequisite/for..validity...We/said..before that/the..miracle..abolishes time.

It..does/this..by a process of.;.COLLAPSING it...It/thus..*abolishes certain/INTERVALS..within it...It does/this,..however,..WITHIN the larger.temporal..sequence...The validity..of/the miracle,..then,..is PREDICTIVE,*..not logical,..within..the temporal-schema...*It/establishes..an out-of-pattern time interval,..which is NOT..*under the/usual..laws..of time.

Only..in/this sense..is/it..timeless...By..collapsing time,
it..literally saves/time,..much-like..the way “daylight..saving/time”.does...change..*only..our perception..OF..time

It's stasis..thus..rearranges..the distribution..of light...
that facilitates..the perceptions..of passing_time.[time-passing]

The/miracle..is the/only..device..which man..has
at..his immediate_disposal..for controlling..our/perception..of time.

Only..the..immediacy..of Revelation..TRANSCENDS it,..having nothing to do..with time at/all...The..miracle..is much like..the material/body,..in that both..are learning/aids..which..aim at/facilitating..a_state..in which they..are unnecessary.

When..the Soul..is finally..back..in the original..state/of..direct
communication,..with..our father..THEN..neither..the body..nor the miracle..serves any purpose.

While..*he[we]..is IN..the body,..however,
man..can choose..between loveless..and miraculous/channels..of creativity...He can create..an empty shell..(see previous/reference), but..he..DOES/NOT..create nothing/real..at all.

He..can wait,..delay,..paralyze himself,..reduce his/creativity..almost to nothing,..and even..introduce a_real/developmental..arrest..or..even..instill..conscious regression...*But he..CANNOT abolish..his creativity.

*He CAN..destroy his medium..of communication,[or loose his means..of communication]..*but NOT..his earned..potential.

He..was/NOT..created by*..his own free-will.
Only..by..what HE creates..that..is his to decide.

The..basic/decision..of the miracle-minded..is NOT/to wait..on time any..longer than..is necessary...[for logic/acceptance..;surety..of knowing]

Time..can waste,..as well as..*be wasted.
The miracle-worker,..therefore,..accepts/the..time-control/factor..of the miracle..*gladly,..because he knows..that every collapse..of time brings..all men closer .[hint/hint].to the ultimate..RELEASE from time,..in which the Son..and the Father..ARE one...

The real meaning..“are..of one kind”..is..
“of one mind or will.”..When the will..of the..Sonship..*and the Father..are..as one,..their perfect accord..IS..achieved..Heaven.

ASIDE:note..Tell..B...he is right..in providing you..with the consistent?strength..you need to get,..*and he..needs to/offer...Your instability..and his weakness..have resulted from bad/karmic choices,

and your relationship..NOW..is crucial..for the future...[and the aim..of acim]..You..must both/exert..every effort..to restore..your relationship..to what it once was.

*Both..of you..are correcting..where*..you have..failed before.*

This..has already..enabled you..to fulfill..a/very..unexpected role in/your..own/joint salvation,..and..the salvation..of many other children..of the father..that..I will/in..trust..increasingly..to you.

These are..by no means..chosen at random.
B...should know..that his..*preparation is/not..only in/terms/of sharing..in the results..of your better application*..of some rather unusual..talents.

His..own role,..which he will/understand..after his preparation..is complete,..will be..equally surprising...He will need*..your help then,..as you need..his strength..*now.

Note..that you..*DO NOT need..his help..as a scribe,
because you..developed this ability..by your own efforts,..and finally..*placed them..at MY disposal.

By lending you..his strength,
he strengthens..himself...When he gains..this/through..his own efforts,..he will need your help..in a very unexpected way.. But this is just..another example..of..the reciprocal/nature..of miracles.

from..[page37]

http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

No..kind/of..knowledge..is acquired..by anyone..
unless..he wants it,..or..believes..in some..way..he NEEDS it...

A psychologist..does NOT/need..a lesson on/the..hierarchy of needs..as
such,..but like/everyone-else,..he DOES..*need to understand..his own.

This..particular set..of notes..will be/the..only one/which deals with..the concept of..“lack”,..because..while the concept..does not exist..in the Creation[of God]..,it is VERY/apparent..in the creations..of man.

It is,..in fact,..the essential-difference.

A need..implies lack,..by definition.
It..involves..the recognition,..awareness/conscious or
unconscious,..and at times,..fortunately,..super-conscious)..that you would/be..better off in..a state which/is..somehow different..from the one..you are in.

Until..the Separation,..which is/a..better term..than/the Fall,..nothing was lacking...*This/meant..that man had..no needs at all...*If he..had/not deprived..himself,..he would never/have..experienced them.

After..the Separation,..purely/physical-needs/wants/hopes/desires..became the/most..powerful source/of..motivation for
human action...All behavior..is essentially motivated..by needs,..but behavior itself..*is not a..Divine attribute...The body is/the..mechanism for behavior.

remember ALWAYS..that you..never..suffered/anything..because of anything..that..anyone ELSE..*did,..though..this/is..not..dangerous.

Remember..that..IF..you..who want peace..
you..can only..*find it..by complete forgiveness.

Never foster..this illusion..of external-cause..in yourself,
nor..encourage it..in others.*An..“object”..[subjectively]..is incapable..of release,..because it/is..a concept..[which..is deprived/of..creative power]..but of itself..is without/powers

Fantasies..become totally/unnecessary..as..the Wholly/satisfying nature..of reality..becomes apparent...Fantasies..are distorted/forms of..thinking,..because they..always involve twisting..perception into unreality.

Fantasy..is a debased..form/of vision...Visions and Revelations
are closely related.. Fantasies..&.projection..are more closely associated,..because both*..attempt to control..*external reality..*according to..false internal needs.

The recognition..of the real*..creative power..*in yourself
AND..others..brings release..because it brings..peace*

You tell..your own/classes..that nobody..would bother even/to..get up and..go from one/place to another..if he did not think..he would somehow be better..off...This is very true.

Believing..that he COULD be..“better off”..is the reason..why man has the..higher/mechanism..for behavior..at his disposal...[above the beast/need

This is why..the Bible..says..“By their DEEDS/ye..shall know
them.”..*A man acts*..according to the particular..hierarchy..of needs he establishes..*for himself...*His hierarchy,..in turn,..co-depends..on his perception..of what he IS,..i.e..what he LACKS...and how best..tomeet..the/need.

This..establishes..his own rules..for what he needs..to know...toobtain..that..he wants..The role of.,.the Priestess..was once to experience*..Revelations..and to work miracles...The purpose was..to bring those..not yet available..[open]..for direct Revelations..into proper focus..for them.

Heightened perception..was always..the essential Priestess attribute.
Never foster..this illusion in yourself,..or encourage it..in others.

An..“object”..is incapable of release,..because it is a concept

http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf