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Is being a scientist compatible with believing in God? : Comments

By George Virsik, published 19/7/2013

Conflicts arise only when religion is seen as ersatz-science and/or science as ersatz-religion.

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Dear david f,

I agree that there is a great variety of definitions of religion (somebody allegedly listed 300 of them) and one can gain insight into the concept just by comparing them. Same with culture and other concepts involving human mind and how it understands itself and external to it reality (This is not the case with mathematics, where differences between two competing definitions of the same concept are easily resolved.)

>>Spending millions on CERN, the Higgs boson or on speculative superstring theories satisfies a human need.<<

Exactly, this is what I wanted to point out, namely that there are human needs that cannot be reduced to mere biological functioning and survival, like the need for food and sex which we share with other “beasts”.

Banjo,

For many Edit Piaf continues to live on in Mireille Mathieu. At least here, in Germany, she is very popular.
Posted by George, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 6:01:35 AM
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the more..we know..the more we rely on..oversimplified
peer/bias and nomo-cultural precedent..usages..[sympathetic compulsion?]

DUALISM..&..DUALITY MODELs..SPAN THE SCIENTIFIC AND
NON-SCIENTIFIC DISCIPLINES..from
http://dualityscience.com/

Dualism..is a philosophical/concept.,.limited to the domain..that examines the relationship..between the mind and the body

[symbiotic's..not duelisms?]

In dualism./.the body is regarded..as being made up of physical matter...The conscious mind,..on the other hand,..is immaterial and has the capacity for thought and thinking.

Neuroscientists ask.."Where does that interaction take place?"

Duality..also refers to..phenomena having..*a twofold nature..*characterized..by states..that are mutually exclusive.*

Duality differs from dualism..in that the dichotomous states..are mutually..*interdependent,..complementary,..and even interchangable.?

Duality principles,..surprisingly,..span a spectrum of disciplines, scientific..and non-scientific,..and are not restricted to the mind-body..problem of philosophy.

OBSERVATIONS/Observation..I:

Dualisms and dualities..apply to both
the physical world of matter..and the non-physical realm of ideas.

Observation..II:

Many dualisms can be understood..[stand-under]...only..in a dialectical or Hegelian..(thesis-antithesis) sense.

Observation..III:

The dialectical method..of Socrates..and the deconstruction techniques of Derrida..can be utilized to uncover..the components in dualistic types of relationships.

Observation..IV:

If two concepts..are dualistic in nature..and form a well-defined system..[only?]..then they can be used..to draw analogies..with other dual systems.

Observation..V:

If two concepts..have the dualism characteristic*..then each component..*can be..used as a theoretical basis..for investigating the system as whole..(as is the case..in the Heisenger discrete & Schrodinger..continuous equations).



Observation VI:

Rowlands' formalism..of the Dirac equation..effectively nullifies the possibilty..of finding a unified-field..that describes all fundamental forces...[edited]

http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0301071.pdf

&#65279;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2XdhzCORbo&#65279;



In many cases..it is not immediately obvious
that paired terms..are dualistically related.

Notable exceptions are words..that are antonyms,..polar opposites,..or negations..[of each other.]

Examples of terms
in which the dualistic relationship..is apparent:

action-reaction

biotic-abiotic

intentional-unintentional

thesis-antithesis

thema-antithema.

Examples of terms..in which the..dualistic relationship..is not apparent:

activation/inhibition
agency/structure
anabolic/catabolic

analog - digital
anions - cations
bosons - fermions

chaos/order
empirical/rational?[does not compute/irrational]
glucagon/insulin

holistic - atomistic
ideal - real
immune - endocrine
inductive - deductive
integration/differentiation

osteoblast/osteoclast
nature/nurture?

niche - biotope
oxidation - reduction
particle - wave[mass?]

permittivity - permeability?
points - lines
proton - electron[photon]?

reflective – reflexive?
semantic - syntactic?
supply – demand
systolic - diastolic?

subjective/objective?
known/unknown..knowable/unknowable...
visa/versa..agreeable/contra [yin/yang]..fiend/friend..living/morte
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 6:23:19 AM
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my latest profession correction
http://www.celestinevision.com/celestine/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15127#15127

i guess its basically..what were all doing here
now do i give its beginning..or jump to the ending..where we are all professing..that needing clarification..[when does correcting become limiting]

my mind imagery..is a fixed point..fixes [fixates]..only that point..at that specific point in time..[like the personal communication of jesus..im trying to update..at the link

how dare i..correct jesus words?
they arnt..his words..are only transcribed..there..not clarified..here

an example perhaps..
so i feel this post..isnt wasteful...of our post limitations..
yet helpful in..abbreviation..the extensive real time suggested applications.

context
<<..Atonement..is the natural profession..of the Children of God, because they have professed Me..>>..os children..not seeing what they profess

but as groan-ups..we find the meat

<<...[Aside/note..[re professing]..tell B
that/that..is what Professor..[as opposed to profess..or pro-fession]..really means.

..As an Associate...Professing..
he must..become associated..with My strength.
As an Asstistant...Professor.,..you must assist..both him and Me.

The Children need both strength...& help.
You cannot help until you are strong...>>.and learned the corrections..earned..of right from wrong..[dark or light,..or shades of grey

you cant lead..if you dont know..the way..[ways of man..ways of things..seeing the mirror-call..[miracle]..of even the mundane

its time we got to see the the meat..of matter
by seeing..it already complete..[in spirit]..before we became the matter
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 8:49:10 AM
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Dear George,

>>It is a human judgment that all life is not equal. It is not objectively valid.<<

I remembered what was in my mind when I wrote the above. Expanded it is:

Many humans regard humans as the pinnacle of creation. Other species might think differently if they did the evaluation. Therefore it is a human judgment – not a judgment of another species. Many humans regard a species as valuable only if it can be put to human use. This judgment is expressed in:

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

In the above other forms of life are put on earth to serve humans. We have dominion. The verses above are a recipe for devastation of nature.

The Jewish Bible on good treatment of domestic animals:

Deuteronomy 25:4 Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he treadeth out the corn.

The New Testament doesn't mention treatment of domestic animals, and neither part of the Bible mentions anything about caring for life forms other than human.

The three Abrahamic religions go on about peace but encourage religious violence more than other religions.

(continued)
Posted by david f, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 10:20:35 AM
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(continued)

In marked contrast to the Abrahamic religions are some religions of eastern Asia such as Jainism.

http://www.religionfacts.com/jainism/ethics.htm

The most fundamental value of Jainism is nonviolence, or ahimsa. This word is usually found on the Jain symbol of the open palm (which means "stop"). Ahimsa is the first of the vows taken by both Jain householders and monks. Ahimsa means harming no living being as well as protecting all living beings from harm. - See more at: http://www.religionfacts.com/jainism/ethics.htm#sthash.8MWhkDmW.dpuf

>>Spending millions on CERN, the Higgs boson or on speculative superstring theories satisfies a human need.<<

<Exactly, this is what I wanted to point out, namely that there are human needs that cannot be reduced to mere biological functioning and survival, like the need for food and sex which we share with other “beasts”.>

Other beasts have curiosity. Our needs for CERN, the Higgs boson or on speculative superstring theories are rooted in our big brain which is a product of our evolutionary development. I think it is part of our biological functioning and not a result of a mythical soul. I think you have implicitly and unjustly removed humanity from its biology. We have developed our curiosity out of a need to ascertain the most efficient way to provide food. Our brain like our muscles demands exercise. Science is one kind of gym for the brain.

Dear Banjo,

I appreciate your post on Edith Piaf. Especially the following:

< It was only when she finally got a glowing review by a prominent New York critic that people started to see her in a different light and all the celebrities of New York flocked to see the peculiar French music-hall phenomenon.>

It made me ask how many things do we enjoy or think good because some authority told us we should. If I should write an article or start a string on the subject may I quote you?

It’s better to be a Parisan than a parasite. A parasite might not agree with that sentiment, but it might be a Parisan parasite.
Posted by david f, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 10:31:17 AM
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1...BENEVOLENT*..Control..
or the exercise of DUTY/service...justly exercised

parental..control..over wards;..sovereignty:<<.."The devil..has their souls]..[material-lives/works/passions].in his possession,..and thus..under his dominion" >>

2...A territory..or sphere of in-fluence..
or..[external]..control;..a realm...sphere of affect/causes

3..One of the self-governing/nations..within..a greater context

4...dominions Christianity..See domination.>>ERROR*
the word..is out of context..with the meaning..it divines

[Middle English dominioun, from Old French dominion, from Medieval Latin domini, dominin-,..from Latin dominium,..[error deleted].., from dominus, lord; see dem- in Indo-European roots.]

dominion
n
1. rule;..productive/protective/active..authority..duty/service
2..good Government,falsifiable Politics& Diplomacy)
the land..governed..by one ruler..[true measure]..or government

3...sphere of influence;..area of control..summery duty

lets see what..jesus says..[acim]
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=acim+dominion

http://acim.ie/sonship/%2Bacim+dominion&oe=utf-8

<<..On the level of the dream,..Sonship refers to all parts of the one split mind..that believed it could accomplish..the separation, wherein each fragment..appears to have a form and “life” of its own.

Thus, the so-called animal,..vegetable..and mineral kingdoms
are all..as much a part of the Sonship..as is homo sapiens.

Distinctions..of what is animate..and inanimate were arbitrarily introduced by homo sapiens,..following the ego’s teachings,..*in order to be able..*to categorize and control*..an illusory world and to have “dominion..over every living thing>>

http://www.circleofa.org/library/acim-commentary/workbook-companion/lesson-38/
<<..There is nothing in the world that has the power to make you ill or sad, or weak or frail. But it is you who have the power to dominate all things you see by merely recognizing what you are. (W-pI.190.5:5-6)>>

it illustrates the principle.

http://www.miraclesmagazine.org/ACIM%20&/9%20-%20ACIM%20and%20Unity%20by%20George%20Mc%20Cormick%20-%20July-Aug%202010.pdf

<<>.Unity stresses..the importance..of aligning our thoughts with the mind of God..and affirming the highest good for all.

Unity..seeks God..first in everything,
prays affirmatively,..and gives thanks.for what is desired..

Emily Cady..in “Lessons..in Truth..a Unity text,..says,

“In entering upon this course of instruction,..each of you should, as far as possible,..lay aside,..for the..time being,..all previous theories and beliefs>>..

recall..who..claims dominion..here..
comes..via the minds..of children..

we..NOW..are..grown-up's
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 11:29:15 AM
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