http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasidic_Judaism

the Hasidic_Judaism..<<..example..
began..the characteristic/veneration..of leadership in Hasidism..as embodiments..and intercessors of Divinity..for the followers.

join this with
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misnagdim

Hasidism's founder was Rabbi Israel ben Eliezer,
known as the Baal Shem Tov..("master of a good name"
usually applied..to a saintly Jew..who was also a wonder-worker),

or simply..by the Hebrew acronym "Besht" ..
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=owuM5-mnHQUC&pg=PT153
<<..Besht” meaning wonder-worker>>.and one who activates..segulot

each for that word..leads to seal
so..my guides say dont go..there..[..i tend..to break confidences/secrets/seal's]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigil_(magic)%2Bsegulot+meaning

anyhow thats an..impressive linkage of liniage
higher than david..or even levie

hasidic..taught that man's relationship..with God depended on immediate religious experience,..in addition to knowledge and observance of..the details of the Torah and Talmud.

Contrary to this,..Hasidic teachings..cherished the sincerity..and concealed holiness of the unlettered common folk,..and their equality with the scholarly elite.

The emphasis..on the Immanent/Divine presence..in everything
gave new value..to prayer and deeds of kindness,..alongside rabbinical supremacy of study,..and replaced historical mystical (kabbalistic)..and ethical (musar) asceticism..and admonishment with Simcha,..encouragement,..and daily fervour.

This populist emotional..revival accompanied
the elite ideal..of nullification..to paradoxical Divine Panentheism, through intellectual articulation..of inner dimensions of mystical thought.>>

but i have intruded..too much
upon your good name*..but you..must realize why?

we need..to allow our light..to shine
on..a mountain top..not under a basket

please note pages 11 and twelve
http://www.celestinevision.com/celestine/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15099#15099

Plato tells us: "The soul knows all things, learning is only recollection." He discovered that latent knowledge of mathematics and the sciences could be elicited from unlearned men. In other words, the soul exists prior to the body and has opportunities for acquiring knowledge and skill. These it brings to earth in the form of latent capacities and potential

p. 12

aptitudes. Whenever an individual possesses an extraordinary endowment of creative powers, a native ability or aptitude for literature, art or the sciences, we can be absolutely certain it is prior knowledge. The preparatory work was done by the person himself before birth, on other planes of existence, and are not gifts of God as erroneously called. Deity has no favorites, nor does He promiscuously shower unearned powers on anyone

Continued

“The policy adopted by Ezra and his associates and followers, of reducing all belief and practice to law, and expanding the law so as to embrace every detail of life, had a negative as well as a positive influence on the development of the doctrinal beliefs of the Jews.

“The law which aimed to regulate all the actions of men allowed their thoughts and beliefs comparative freedom.”

The above quote that came from a publication of the Jewish Publication Society in 1905 indicated to me that the author would probably object to allowing thoughts and beliefs comparative freedom.

However, that seemed to me to be precisely my grandmother’s philosophy. Obey the laws, but let your mind roam free.

My grandmother was simply wonderful. Usually the front room of the house in that time and place was reserved for weddings and funerals. We used to sit around our front room and talk or listen to music on the windup phonograph. She liked to listen Galli-Curci, the Italian opera singer. We also had comic songs. She was friends with the outcasts of the town like an Irish homosexual and a retired sailor who lived near the dump. Chick Griffin, the sailor, told us that bear grease was good for earache.

She baked bread on an old woodburning stove and was careful of the wood she used because it would flavour the bread. It was quite cold, and there might be a killing frost any night of the year. In the short growing season she would cover the garden with cheesecloth every night so her plants would survive.

She once saw me with a pencil and asked where I got it. I told her I found it in the road. “Take it right back and put it where you found it. The person who lost it may come looking for it.”

When she died by her bedside was a book on the French and Indian Wars.

A cousin, her great grandson, has become a fundamentalist Christian and has told me my beloved grandmother is writhing in hell because she never accepted Jesus.

George,

<<No. My exchange of opinions - with e.g. david f or Banjo Patterson - concerning matters pertaining to worldviews, are not guided by urges of any kind.>>

I was speaking generally and I suspect you realise that. I have seen you correct others in discussion when you see what you perceive to be an error, so I think the answer to my question is actually “yes”. You would be a very apathetic person indeed if the answer really was “no”.

<<So why keep on nagging? If you really think only of “others around us” who can benefit from what you say, you have to find yourself another partner, somebody whom you would not find “unfair”…>>

But the pointing out of unfair treatment can also be of benefit to onlookers. Some of the minor injustices that I (and in fact, everyone) am now able to recognise are only recognisable to me because I experienced them indirectly through observation.

<<Although, of course, I never tried to gag or denigrate you.>>

I know; at least not consciously or deliberately. The same goes for any “nagging” on my behalf. If my corrections annoy you then that’s very unfortunate indeed, but I cannot be expected to keep quite when there are false claims of naivety from you that would apply to me. So perhaps my question should have been phrased: “If you see errors in claims that, when overlooked by others, would affect how others perceive the credibility of your own arguments, do you not feel the urge to correct them?”

This is why I request evidence and/or reason for your claims: if you are going to allege that others display naivety in their criticisms, then you need to demonstrate why their criticisms are naive. It’s not enough to simply assert it; to do so would be to commit PZ Myers’ newly coined fallacy of the courtier’s reply.

full/post-here..my guided/insight..in reply..to..my request
to/reveal..some-extra thing..re..your grandmother

http://www.celestinevision.com/celestine/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15106#15106

<<Avery says..she usually..writes..
when..she's feeling..emotional.>...

recall..this..emotional/flux..
pervades/invades..the..astral-body..form*..
and..builds..the form..of our..spirit/body..if done..of love

[yet hurts..injures/ruptures..the soul..if..the/writing is dark

[i suggest*..your grandmother..is well..into..the light*
[your cousin..is plainly/hurtfully...wrong

the soul..gets..cleared..or clouded..
by*..our acts..of love-permissions...she/darkens..and thickens..
as/our souls..astral emission..{e-remanants]..accumulate..into encrustation..remainders..wrought by..our viler-emissions/passions/etc

[these..hold us..separated..from heaven]
once*..they have/been..cleared..by redemptive/acts..[of love/of other]
the..person..[ego/id]..simply rebirth..into..the higher/realms..

[your grandmother..clearly..is there]

it..often occurs/instantly..for..open-minds..
heaven..*welcomes..its own..home..[writers..are close to
the source/.channeling..most of/that..called 'original/inventive innovative'..

thus..writers..connect..moree/easy..with the/truth..
relatively..faster..than others..doing good/too.

vile/however..from our..emotional..remnant/quotient
can bind/those..loving*..their sins..[and self]..or illusory occupation..[more than/other]..

they chose*..to live..in hell..[such is..freewill..]

but again..
im sure..grandmother..is in heaven

[life-emotive..energy discharges..
enjoy/alike..the feeling[power]..of our..emotional/writing..put clear]

eg/from..the young/writers..link

<<.."This..was written..one time..when I/was
just..sort/of thinking,.and questioning..things
THAT*,I know..to/be true...I took/inspiration..from life..

and death
for..this poem.”>>
BUT..i feel..grandmother..
rather say..this*..as more appropriate

Save/our novel..from/these sins,

my..fellow_writers!..
Repent..before..it is..too late!

First/Circle..Limbo

Hello shiny idea..for a novel!
Should I..write you? Should I not..write you?
Maybe I'll write..a few pages..and see how you go...Should I...

oohhh Farmville.
Second/Circle..Lust

Novel,..you are..so brilliant,
you shine..like a beautiful bright..beacon,
nay, like filigree..sparkling in the darkest..of unlit nights.

Everything you do..is wonderful,
to change..but one of your words..would be a sin.unto mankind.

Whatever you want..novel,
whether it's second..person..stream of consciousness
or an illogical plot/twist..or overwrought prose that makes people blush,

you can have it,
please take it,
it's yours...I LOVE YOU,..NOVEL.

Third/Circle..Gluttony

No time..to eat.
No time..to work.
No time..for breaks.
No time to attend to..essential hygiene.
Twenty-six-hours straight.. MUST./WRITE...NOVEL..I...WILL/NOT...BURN. OUT.

Okay,..I'm starting to get..burned out...

Fourth/Circle,,Greed

Dude,..Stephenie Meyer..wrote that..vampire book
in like six weeks..or something..and now she's a..gagillionaire.

How hard can it be?!

Fifth/Circle..Anger

I hate agents,..I hate query letters,
I hate rejection letters,..I hate editors,
I hate published authors,..I hate unpublished authors,

I hate periods,..I hate exclamation points,
I hate semi-colons,..I hate paper,..I hate words,
I hate the space..between words,..and most of all,..I HATE THIS FREAKING NOVEL!

[this type goes to hell

Sixth/Circle/Heresy
Seventh/Circle..Violence

Eighth/Circle/Fraud

Ninth/Circle/Treachery

What..could possibly..go wrong?

Heaven or Hell
by Avery McLean
Grade Eight

< like david..i have had many..'try to save me';
unlike david..i took it personally..[but always manage..to say bless you]..too..or just thank you>

Dear OUG,

I take it very personally. I don’t thank someone for harassment with unsolicited missionising. They say the obnoxious “I’ll pray for you.” I won’t imitate their mumbojumbo by saying, “Bless you.”

http://www.fpcn-global.org/en/content/Missionaries_Conversion_IS_Violence tells about missionary harassment of indigenous people.

http://www.patheos.com/Library/Christianity/Historical-Development/Exploration-Conquest-Empire-(incl-violence-persecution).html tells about the violence of the missionaries to the Americas.

http://www.colaco.net/3/SandyMissionMafia.htm is a protest by a person from India against missionary tactics.

http://www.rjkoehler.com/2010/10/01/were-early-christian-missionaries-in-joseon-korea-violent/ tells about the violence by Christian missionaries in Korea.

Richard Fletcher wrote The Conversion of Europe: From Paganism to Christianity, 371-1386 AD. With the exception of Ireland all the conversions were accompanied with violence.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html tells about Martin Luther and the Jews. He expected them to convert to his new religion. When they didn’t he wanted them persecuted or eliminated. The Nazis printed Luther’s hate sermons in their papers.

http://www.christianaggression.org/tactics_violence.php shows the bodies of Hindus killed for refusing to accepting Christianity by militants armed by Southern Baptist Missionaries. The website tells of missionary atrocities in Tahiti, India and South America.

It is terribly arrogant to approach a person you don’t know and who has not asked for your attentions and tell that person what to believe. Those who continue that nasty tradition do not deserve thanks.

Most missionaries are probably unaware of their tradition, but awareness would probably not stop them. They are blind to their evil.

My grandmother is dead, and that is the end of her as it is for all of us.

From too much love of living,
From hope and fear set free.
We thank with brief thanksgiving
Whatever gods may be
That no life lives for ever ;
That dead men rise up never ;
That even the weariest river
Winds somewhere safe to sea.

Then star nor sun shall waken,
Nor any change of light :
Nor sound of waters shaken,
Nor any sound or sight :
Nor wintry leaves nor vernal,
Nor days nor things diurnal ;
Only the sleep eternal
In an eternal night.

yes no life lives for-ever
in time we become world weary/like solo-man

yes there are many much abused
by clergy..missionary and colonization
but all arnt..the same..

it saddens me..you wont critique..a specific point..
of them after life texts..i posted earlier..

[both atheist and theist alike ignore them..wonder why?]

no i know why..the spirit
hangers..on leeching off our vibe...
dont want to loose..their free lunch..[us]

anyhow better to quote..
that shows i..read your note

<<..It is terribly arrogant..to approach..a person..you don’t know..and who has not asked for..your attentions>>

agreed..no-one SANE..would do..that for self amusement
perhaps weak people..might..be seen*.to use if..for self aggrandizement

but these..weak souls..need
our sympathy..not our censure

<<..and tell.that person..what to believe.>>

that crime..send us..direct to..THE SAME..hell
[i would quote..a quote..but i quoted it before
and it was ignored by all]

..so i say let them..believe
as they will..[cause its the law]..

[i like to think..we are just
allowing each other..the respect..to talk..the issue through..
knowing others are hearing..or care..we got upset..but there comes that time..to let it go..[im..nearly there]

we either..let go
or..WE JOIN THEM*

[its funny..how in spirit..to think it..
brings you instantly..there]..so any obsessing about the mongrels..joins us and them..together..[in their hell]

into..our own..mutual hell

[i dont want to..spend anytime more with them..
so..i forgive them..and leave them.in their chosen reality
saving others..*cause they lost themselves

you may well be right
<<My grandmother is dead,
and that is the end..of her..as it is..for all of us.>>

if she REALLY..BELIEVED..that..
she will be*..with the un-dead..awaiting a resection day..
that never can come!....

in which case..she will think ..she is dead
AND NO ONE CAN..[is allowed]..to change her free-choice
looking at her..grand son's words..i see distinctly..she is likely..to be..among the sleepers

[cant you see..thats what
jesus refuted..by DYING..and returning

SHE..no doubt..Believes..in that day
and again..thus must clearly await..the messiah

or worse she really believes as you
and resides as the undead..believing..dead =dead

im crying mate..the eternal living/undead..
CRUELLY..feigning self death..via religious LIES..mortal deceits*

why are..so many good people
obsessing the insanity..that energy can die?

its absurd..ENERGY CANT BE DESTROYED*
surely this can be seen..by you?