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Is being a scientist compatible with believing in God? : Comments

By George Virsik, published 19/7/2013

Conflicts arise only when religion is seen as ersatz-science and/or science as ersatz-religion.

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its..funny/david..[my other...name is..silent/witness]
lol..1250..words..anyhow*

david..let me/reply..with 3..papal-notes..[for context]
http://www.celestinevision.com/celestine/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15022#15022

the under..is also..posted here
http://www.celestinevision.com/celestine/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15025#15025

1 john..7;24
POPE/SPAKE..

*“The risk..in seeking..and finding God..in all things,..then,
is..the willingness..to explain..too much,..to say..with human certainty..and arrogance:..‘God is here.’

We will/find only..a god
that fits..our measure.

*I am talking..about a proposal
that is..always positive,..but it should..not cause timidity.

Let us think..about what..so many
great saints,monks..and religious men..and women have..done,before us

*Our life..is not..given to us..like an opera/libretto,
in which..all is written down;..but*..it means going,..walking/doing, searching,/seeing....

We..must enter..into..the adventure..of the quest
for meeting God;..we must..*let God search..and encounter us.

“*Because..God..is first;
God..is always first..and makes..the first move.>>..

[you..know..its of god..cause its good
grace mercy loving living logical..en-lightening*]

BUT*..FIRST

dear david..<<Are..you descended
from Tasmanian Aborigines..and Dutch?>>

yes and no..
i..examined..the matter..with care
vandiemens..land..has three statehoods..

[the big spin/one..=..tassie ..of the dictionary]
lesser known..but you will recall..seeing it..is..the vandiemans land [of the map]..of these great south lands

[soon changed to..new nederland...
[never land]..[lowland]..[or new holland]..

[lol terra nulious]...that in time
became..nsw..australia etc..etc..*ALL BRITISH colonies..[protectorates]

then there..is melvil island..
[marked as vandiemens land..on several common maps]
my ancestral land..plus of course 300 years dutch..intermixing..[colonizing cleansing]
[vandiemens land/melvil island.is found..in..many 50/60.s schoolbook maps..[mine came from readers digest maps]

[what began..initially..at..the northern most tip..of van die mens..land..]..melvil island
soon changed..to van die mens island..now only vdm gulf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Diemen_Gulf

[look at old maps]..

first called thus..by my..dutch people..Van Die Mense land
that..which..they thought it to be..its on many maps

but..let me explain..my family name..is made of three words
[each specifically capitalized]....so as im johan..
my last initials=..V*D*H

but ozzies..being ozzies..its often joined..Vdh
[like has occured..in..Van Die Mense land..
[or..as the 2 de invader spun it ..Vandiemens land]

van=of..from..[a ascendant of the descendant..]
die=the..[or..you/that lot]..[general usage][transcendence]
mense=people..,[free born/spirit.honest/true.*think like..the jewish..*menche*

alternately

Van=[possessive..belonging to]
DIE=The*..[definitive/specific]
Mense=..[THE MENSCH"]

alternatively..

*van die mens land
reads..as..
*of..the peoples land
or..
*Of gods..peoples land..

or as we would say..care-givers..
not takers..but cuss-toadian..of gods wholly/holy land

[land..that will not yield.. ]
refuse..to yield..genesis..3;17-19
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=gen3%3B17-19

[ie..the lost tribe]..[left behind..in the desert]
THAT DIDNT..go..*IN..to..the 'holy land..?

deuteronomy..3;25-29....4;21-25,..32,38,39?
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=deuteronomy..3%3B25-29
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=deuteronomy..4

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Posted by one under god, Sunday, 22 September 2013 8:32:15 AM
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anyhow..here enters..swedenberg
[for..search/terms..swedenborg/site..appears to..redirect/to book sales]
http://www.newchurch.org/about/swedenborg/bibliography.html
BUT*..swedenborg..RATES high..relitive to..topic/title

anyhow..in..the..'lost'..swedenberg revelations
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=swedenbergs+Apocalypse+Revealed+(1766)+pdf
he..predicted..the finding..of the river..of life..
hence..the story fudged..by..the colonizers..as much..as/capitalists..as much..as the/shakers..[athiest/thiest..alike

re..the finding ..of the..great southlands..river of life
they thought..it likely..in sydney..inlet..[but it really was..the hunter river..way back then]

[but..it turns out..to be the namoi river..
[in native language..it means..'river..of life']
http://www.namoi.cma.nsw.gov.au/living_on_the_lower_namoi_final_121212.pdf

divided..off the hunter..
by a landfall...breaking the river in two..[into murry.basin?].
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4840&page=2
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=namoi+means+river+of+life
https://public.worldfreemansociety.org/index.php/forum/49-banking/436-a-solution-to-our-banking-dilema?tmpl=component&type=raw&start=18

recall..the hunter/river..
the place..the hippies found dope..[70.s
http://eprints.qut.edu.au/15949/1/John_Jiggens_Thesis.pdf
page..24/chapter..4

[police posters././from that time..
show clearly...the top bit..of the seven branched..bush..not consumed..[i saw it..in a..magazine]

anyhow..recall exodus..25;39,40
on the mount..its image..of the lamp*stand
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=golden+lampstand+exodus

i found..that plant..[see.john higgens..thesis]
took it to elders..showed them..the plants/seeds from each plant

they said take it to police..i did..
now seeds have..many fold..offspring

i took..to the courts..over 70 packets of seed..
and 120 plants..at least one i hear..is a new type of cannabis
[in 8 trials]..
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5899&page=9
maybe here
http://www.ndlerf.gov.au/pub/Monograph_29.pdf

no//here/hear?
LAKE Vostock..baceria..No evolution
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5899&page=0

the..7 branched..i took..to canberra..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis
it..regrew self/seeded..following a police bust..
[yet all..are equally DEEMED..illegal.

[not unlawful..its a BIG difference]

and..lest we forget..genesis 1;29..[first/page..of the book]
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=gen+1/29
[i give you..every seed bearing plant]
lest we forget..the first crop..here..[in land of oz]..was
to..grow new.hempen ropes/sails..to get back home

anyhow..i..thought..lets skip/the issiah/exodus..etc
and skip forward..to rev 22.2..[last page..of/the book]

tree..of life..
growing on..the river of life..its leaves..for the healing..of nations
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=rev+22

i took it..tothem
they refused..to even..look at it

then..[on good friday..of 2002..right under..the cameras..of old Parliament house..focused on Isabel Coe's house
with the scared spear..heldby mick..

[later the spear..got burned.
.[but i found the head of it..in the ashes..[not burned]

not sure...where the green corduroy jacket..is
[the spear pierced..through..the place where..there is left/over material
of the..pocket and flap..were sewed..i think..at least 5 thickness of corduroy..[about one inch square]..it hit dead center

all..on my left hip was a blister..
that scabbed up/fell off in 4 days..and a story

the spearer..was mick..of the ozzie passport fame..
he speared me..[judged]..and im..told..that thus spirit approved..my money tree currency

it had moved
out of..the hand of men..but what now..

[i..*saw..the chessboard..grain/trick]..
except..i had..a new_math

10/fold..not doubled..

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Posted by one under god, Sunday, 22 September 2013 9:02:04 AM
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Dear oug,

I am sorry. Your posts are a bit too much for me.
Posted by david f, Sunday, 22 September 2013 9:22:18 AM
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only mine..dont..double..
its..10 fold increase..[which..is modest..for seed.].

[just..the seeds/plants..times ten..[3 times per year]..
which govt took..from my..POSSESSION..which i had promised..uncle Dennis walker..

one ton..of seed..was stolen
by fraud..by police..that personal..LAW FULL/contractual
http://public.worldfreemansociety.org/index.php/forum/49-banking/436-a-solution-to-our-banking-dilema?tmpl=component&type=raw&start=18

treaties..obligation..now falls*due
the people..have waited..long enough

it..was witnessed..by two people..
one..of whom..is suing..British..govt..for lost income..from his seized*..game/stock..PLUS THEIR OFFSPRING*..

which..gave me the idea..of setting..a ten fold..LOST/HARVEST..increase..on my..own..seed/plant..seizures

deeming..each seed..to equal..one plant..
and one..pound the..be=1000 seed

govt seized..the plant[of knowledge/good-evil]
by lie..declared war..on a plant..and its people[13/th..tribe?]

i..set up..the seed..for peace/trial..
asking people..to claim*..the owning..of the..found/freed/liberated seed..from nimbin..that began this..*play..

their forfeit..of their claim..
means..onus fell back..on me

but..see i am..representing..many..
we..are.all equally..the living mortal-heirs..of the immortal..eternal/internal..father[with-in..allliving being

[who..is not sustained..their..living of god
prove..its you..doing it??

we..were made..guilty..
by..the simple..the claim of possession*..by deeminmg the lie..of a plant..BEING..a drug

[lol..a FIXTURE..as if..its a fungible..
[its legal..insanity]..thus 20..out of 21 plead..truely..
to the lie..guilty as charged..then police..wont give it back*..[ie..not true*..possession]

i..*did possess..under possession*
on..their/our..behalf*..i converted..their possessive..

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=wikiseed%2Fwikigeld

into..the promised..
wikiseed/wikigeld..underpinning..All..OF..gods crerations/life quality..OUR true..inheritance..

*due..to all..living*

[who..is not a child of..the father..

Are we..not..[all*,,living]...
enjoined..mortal..living heirs..
of the immortal/eternal..life spirit?

but..how to..make use..
of all..that insanity

i dont..like..being speared..in my left hip..again

[recall oath..used to/be sworn...with
the oath taker..sitting on*..the right hand..
of the oath maker.*.

see..explaining..just that..
let alone..so much more..just as in-credible.

i..hate explaining..
yet..feel..its time..some good/came from..it all
thus..to put..to friends..peers equals..comforters..what next?

they..not only stole god..
from you..and you from god*!*

why..let them steal..*your equal..fair*share..
in..the waelth..youyrs toSHARE/equaly..as living children..of gods banking/system..based on..life/seed..sustaining living?

funny..we..got/mention
at..Vote..On..the Most..Shameful.Wikipedi..Spin/Jobs

see..ever the joker[joke]
13..Aug 2007...upon reading
the wiki story..saw i needed to name it..'wikiseed/wikigeld'
...it..[the wikiseed]..is gifted to all,..each was gifted..one pound of the...

http://archive.is/bxTK

anyhow..couldnt find..the page
better..search term..is
ming the mechanic wikiseed/wikigeld

Bust..Videomark mcmurtrie
aboriginal*sovereignty british legal...

...plants..[womans circle..the femail plants

[its called the wikiseed..[some rough/notes are found
under..ming the mechanic wikiseed/wikigeld

but...they couldnt see it...either
neither..did mark

http://www.google.com.au/url?q=http://www.bust-video.info/v/yt:UCibSWOArVI/1

anyhow..[its all..*of the past..
thus..in..the realm..of..the dreaming
only..witnessed..by spirit..and..the elders..of the rite..of dreamtime..and..now you

knowing obliges?

THE_END?
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 22 September 2013 10:05:54 AM
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I am sorry. Your posts are a bit too much for me.

i fully agree
i had hoped intelligent minds would critique
or demand proof..or as many have done..decide the guy is nuts

at least..david..
you..now know*

your first instinct was right

There is excuse for
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257#267986

yet again..you are correct
thanks..for the nudge..

[its the last..real attempt..
to write it about stuff..i have told..to too many..about anyhow]

some see things as they are..and love it

but today..i had a gift
holding a grudge..is like the victim taking poison..
then waiting for the other to..die..can i..ask..for just one point why?

i know..it sounds crazy
regardless..how would the math..work?
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 22 September 2013 12:20:52 PM
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Dear oug,

I don't think you are nuts. You may have great wisdom embedded in your posts, but it is hard for me to read them.

I took Banjo's criticism on board about me having a short fuse. It was accompanied by a pleasant French lesson. It was also a lesson in seeing myself as someone else saw me.

I was unreasonable in making suggestions on your style or format. Your posts are an expression of yourself, and the style is your style.

If I find them readable I will read them. If I don't I won't. That's all I can promise.
Posted by david f, Sunday, 22 September 2013 5:05:02 PM
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