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Is being a scientist compatible with believing in God? : Comments

By George Virsik, published 19/7/2013

Conflicts arise only when religion is seen as ersatz-science and/or science as ersatz-religion.

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Dear George,

Occasionally I get up in the middle of the night. It is dark, and I do not want to wake my wife so I don’t turn on the light. I stumble around, bump into things and eventually get to where I want to go. A blind person is in perpetual darkness. In familiar territory such as their own house they do not stumble around. They know where things are. I do not have that sense of place to the degree that the blind have but am dependent on my sight to avoid obstacles even in territory which should be familiar. Possibly blind people could move around better in their own home even if the furniture were displaced. I am wondering whether Pontrjagin actually had an advantage in that his blindness helped him to ‘see’ things in topology that he would have not seen as well if he had not been blind.
Posted by david f, Saturday, 21 September 2013 11:09:55 AM
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last/post..for the day*
[not even a proper..'day'..as the darkness..pre-cedes to..the dawn]

anyhow..david said..self..<<..just keep/quiet...>>

thats..the only thing..
that would/could..truly..hurt us all..

[i..really need you..to understand that.david]..

so..saying..wont/quote..your *text*..
[word context/sentence..as sentience]

you..made clear..your atheistic*certainty/finality
i..feel..im/more agnostic..yet..into god..
yet..reviling..religion/creed/greed

i..dont know..what i am
so..i will talk..about me

im..dutch..[genetically]
our people..built..our/own land
when we stand..on/our land..we know..one foot/in the water

unlike..mosus..[children/alone..left the desert]
[recall..the old..never left..[the 13th tribe?]..who knows..

but..the dutch..came/here..[1600's]
following..a severe defeat..[by george/warrumpies mob.].
the dutch..'visited'..the 13 tribe..[at..van diemens island..and abducted..my ancestors..in ceremony]

anyhow..by..the way..of colonization
that info..was lost..in word..but not sign

issiah..speaks of..one who,smoking hemp..refuses to quench
rejected by all..one such..as jonah..the..tree/of life..and..the design..of the..lamp/stand/leaves..healing nations/people

issiah..mean's horn?

i am..of the head..of the stag..[totamicly]
surmounting..a golden horn..[of issiah..or..the horn/of plenty..or other golden/horns..

all..are included..in my..familial/symbolism..

the horn..sits atop..the pyre

thats..just from my coat
of arms/..with..my paternal/descendant reality..
from..my earthly ATHEIST/father..mine mothers..is simple a book

elders..have told me..i..hold the head/because
from..a previous time..of judgment...

that first..[when the fallen..angels became..flesh..
then..[meat..and..the carnivors were sent..to extract..judgment]

they took..my ancestral/body
but left..the head free..in the Forrest
for then..there were..no elders..[needing..its..eyes/brain/tongue]

the golden..horn comes from..the 2 vde judgment
and all..that remainders..of..the alters pyre..
was..one single/golden horn..[they were so hungry..they even ate..one horn]

strung..upon a blue.,.and gold band
and it..is..by that..law..i live..for-rest*..with the horn..of plenty

one foot..in the/darkness..one..in the light
one foot..in the spirit..one..on dry land
one foot..on terra firma..one on terror termina

you..helped me see..my loki within

now i know..i cant help you..
to see..your own loki..lies within you too

i have..no clue..what i am
thus am free..to make it up
but..thats only..made up..inside me

only you..can know..
what you feel deeply..with/in you..

but..we seen your fruits..and
those fruits..are true..[for not just you]

next TIME?..swedenbergs..talks of societies
gone west..talks of interacting spheres
[thats affirming..works with words]..

we..*are..all joined..
enjoined..somewhere in there

and..for me
the common link..is god sustains..us ALL..every-think

know..i..dont want either
the credit..nor the blame..none is due..

its just me..being me..[you/being you]
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 21 September 2013 11:53:09 AM
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Dear oug,

By ‘just keep quiet’ I meant that I should have kept quiet rather than send that post which attacked you.

De Vader des Vaderlands was called the Silent, but he was only silent when silence was called for.

He realised the humanity of the enemy.

“Sire, have pity on the Spanish infantry, which, for lack of pay and out of sheer starvation, is scouring the low country round, plundering the peasantry in mere need of food. These disorders I cannot repress, much less can I punish them, for necessity has no law.”

He also recognised the wrong of fighting simply because of a difference in belief.

“I am no Calvinist, but it seems to me neither right nor worthy of a Christian to seek, for the sake of differences between the doctrine of Calvin and the Confession of Augsburg, to have this land swarming with troops and inundated with blood.”

I will try to emulate William the Silent and be silent when speech is foolish and recognise the humanity of those who disagree with me in regard to religion and in other areas.

I used to work for Philips in Connecticut and would go to Eindhoven to test our designs. I became friendly with a priest in a Dutch village. A parish priest may be a lonely figure. Like the captain of a ship who cannot have friends in the crew the priest cannot have friends in his parishioners although they may all like him. We had common interests in beekeeping and the novels of Graham Greene.

You wrote: “im..dutch..[genetically]”

You also wrote: “the dutch..'visited'..the 13 tribe..[at..van diemens island..and abducted..my ancestors..in ceremony]”

Are you descended from Tasmanian Aborigines and Dutch?
Posted by david f, Saturday, 21 September 2013 12:59:13 PM
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Dear David,

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« I am sorry, oug. I apologise to George, Banjo and any others who may have read the post.”

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From my comfortable position as simple observer, David, I see that you are what the French call “soupe au lait” (literally: “milk soup”). When you are the least expecting it, the milk suddenly boils over. According to my French/English dictionary, the, English equivalent is “short-fused” which is a very vivid expression I must confess I have never heard of before now.

I never stop learning on this forum.

Thanks.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Saturday, 21 September 2013 7:36:47 PM
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Dear One Under God,

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[ “I see clearly,” the pope continues,..“that the thing the church needs most today is the ability to heal wounds..and to warm the hearts of the faithful … it needs nearness, proximity. …” ]

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As I see it, the Catholic Church is an enormous multinational organisation in which politics and religion are intimately and inextricably entwined. Effective central control of such a mammoth is impossible, which is basically what Frère Francis is saying.

I have no doubt that he is an intelligent man and determined to inflect the trajectory of the mammoth without wounding the animal or, if that proves inevitable, at least without inflicting mortal wounds on it (“ … the thing the church needs most today is the ability to heal wounds… “).

I also have no doubt that Frère Francis is a courageous man. But somebody walked down that road before him, a long time ago … and we know what happened to him.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Saturday, 21 September 2013 7:39:26 PM
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Dear Banjo,

Thanks. So according to your dictionary this would mean that after all there is a noun derived from credere, namely credo. I thought credo - like in “credo in unum Deum” - referred only to the verb credere. As I said, my Latin is non-existent.
Posted by George, Sunday, 22 September 2013 7:08:43 AM
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