Those considered to be moderates like Sheik Hilaly and Keyser Trad are also involved in double speak.Publically they condemn the radicals but privately within the inner circle of true believers the attitude changes.Philip Clarke from 2GB banned Keyser Trad from expressing any views on his programme last year.

Keyser Trad implied that Australian women should dress more modestly or expect to be sexually assualted.

I just see Muslims just viewing themselves as always the victims and always pushing the boundaries of their rights and beliefs into our sphere of influence.Our cultures and belief systems are not harmony and I don't see a peaceful resolution.

(modified from my post on "The Pretend Peacemakers" but equally relevant)

I'm always surprised how hyper-sensitive many OLO posters have been about the tightening of anti-terror laws (which I support) - they strongly oppose the government line.

However concerning the coalition killing many thousands of Iraqi civilians they support the government line. The numbers of Iraqis killing Iraqis are even worse. Yes Saddam was far better than Mao (who the West began to back in the 1970's). However is the escalating civil war in Iraq worse than Saddam? - no studies are permitted.

As many intelligence insiders have said about Iraq "it was about oil not WMD or terror."

Now that many Muslims have been killed in Iraq (a country devoid of an international terror record) the West has created the terror industry in Iraq, in Madrid and in London - perhaps in Bali. And next?

We'll hear more about 4 Aussies murdered by terrorists in Bali than 18,000 Pakistanis dead from the earthquake. Should the media airtime be based on nationality and nature of political murders alone or should we look at the foundations of these murders more fundamentally than "Muslims by religion are different and bad".

Every death is sad - and acutely felt - whereever it is.

Politicians justify death (by tough talk) in someone else's country.

planet

My friend member was killed in the latest Bali Bombing. Was yours?

I'm very sorry to hear that Kay.

I've had two friends recently killed by Muslim terrorists in the Philippines.

It was a shock as well.

Fellow_human,
Who is alienating the majority Muslim community? You state, "The war on terrorism is an ideology war and cannot be won except by moderate Muslims with the support of the west. This cannot happen by continuously alienating the Muslim majority."

Where are the majority moderate Muslims fighting the war on terror? Moderate Muslims do not have a voice on terrorist forums. You believe the West should support Moderate Muslims, how about the moderate Muslims support the many religious voices of the West! Your agenda is revealed by the dominant thinking that the West must support a single religion. Your reading of Muslim media releases denouncing the West as terrorists seeking Muslim oil and territory is what is alienating the Muslim community. You either support the freedom and diversity of the West against religious extremists, no matter what the opposition is saying, or you come out and reveal your tassid support of a pure Muslim State in Iraq etc.

You see the Muslim media see the infidel West as diverse and evil especially USA, and unfortunately it is, that is because its people have the freedom and openness to live as they choose. This is not liked by religious fundamentalists. I do not like it either. But that is democracy. It is just that States like the former Afganistan under Muslim law oppressed the people and was the reason for the mass exodus of people who did not want to live in a religious State. Muslim law is opressive to the free choice of people, and many convert because they look for strong leadership. This is what happened in Germany under Hitler, he was an impressive leader. You see democracy has many voices, and not all are good, but it gives the individual right of conviction to follow their conscience.

So you either support the evil West including the decadent USA; or ignore the extremist Muslim bombings and accept they are doing Allah's work in self defence of their proud religion.

First of all Irfan,

You are drawing the longest bow I have ever seen, to put it down to Wahabi Vs. Sufi. These terrorists clearly mention constantly that they want us dead for helping East Timor gain independence, they want us dead for drinking alcohol and not wearing veils in their country(Bali isn't even mostly muslim but they don't care, this is why they don't care about blowing up Balinese, because they are not muslim).
Sure a lot of them are students of the dark, evil madrassas in Indonesia that are funded by mostly Suadi/Wahabi money, but it was never direct war against sufism. Their first enemy is Western people, because somehow, due to the sickenning brainwashing from their local sheiks, they believe that we are morally decadent. I keep asking myself how they think this. It is their culture that in the top three most corrupt nations, it is their culture that treats women as sex objects by covering them from the view of other men and making them stay at home to be the household slave, it is their culture that has no problem calling on thousands on volunteers to round up illegal migrants so they can be officially whipped and kicked out. Funny that.
Also, FELLOW HUMAN, you think that Islam is peaceful. You must never have read your own koran.
Does everyone know who the American negro sheik Yasin is? Well on the Sunday program he compared himself to other peace activists, who he named as Jesus, Ganhdi, John Pilger(I disagree here, Pilger is a criminal who's books give these Islamic loonies verbal excuses to do what they do). Firstly, I thought it was disgustingly rude to compare himself, a xenophobic, homophobic, bigotted pig, to Jesus Christ; secondly, I noticed that he didn't/couldn't metion his very own prophet, Mohammed. This is because his violent/evil deeds far outweigh his good deeds, if indeed there are any.