curious M
don't disagree with a word of your post.. the problem is that its the activists and scientists who don't seem to remember the time frames. the earliest greenhouse warnings are now 25 years old, and various warnings over the years have set time frames of just a century, or in some cases 20-30 years for significant changes to occur - in other words, the changes are expected to occur within human life times, not geological times.

At present scientists are seriously warning that temperature changes in the next 30-40 years will be three times anything seen to happen in the past 25 years, despite nothing much happening in the last decade plus.. These warnings are very difficult to take seriously. In any case, there is simply no case to make policy based on greenhouse warnings, until scientists can point to a useful forecasting track record.

Curmudgeon,

Anthony Cox (solicitor and secretary of a political party) is inferring the vast majority of scientists are now the "deniers".

Perhaps everyone should watch this:

http://thiniceclimate.org/blog/details/2658/thin-ice-the-inside-story-of-climate-science

Your choice.

Well I don't know folks. We had lots of people wanting to "FIX" ours, for huge prices of course. No one touched them, & every thing kept working.

Two mates flying in PNG had no trouble, although they were assured they would fall from the sky, unless gross money changed hands.

Were your fixes before or after the day. Did something cease working, or were you assured that it was "fixed".

Hell even my home 486 stayed on the job.

So what if there is or isn't a climate change. My answer to that is a question none of them answer, what can the alarmists do about it if we give them more money. The deniers could use that money to become more environmentally friendly but that's about all. The change is going to happen with or without throwing millions at it. If there is a man made change man will not be able to prevent it now. So stop waffling on about it & get a real job so I don't feel I'm wasting my tax dollars so you can jet set round the world polluting the atmosphere.

The best of a bad lot, Geoff, links to a press release for a 'paper' which purports to show the current temp is the hottest in 1400 years.

This 'paper' was featured in the SMH, so it must be true.

However, the paper by McShane and Wyner, 2 of the world's best statisticians, which is linked to in the article, clearly shows this is NOT the case; even when the tainted data from Mann is used and interpreted properly.

M&W, of course, was not featured by the SMH; no sceptic is, which promotes the false idea of a consensus.

The proof in the article is clear and concise; noone has commented on it and Spindoc is vindicated; what a pathetic bunch alarmists are.

Most ironic post by JohnBennets; "rag of a site"; well it is when JB turns up.

This would be an abstract of the "paper".

http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ngeo1797.html

Explained a little more fulsomely here:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/pages2k-confirms-hockey-stick.html

This paleo stuff just keeps coming.

And the "skeptics" keep thrashing away with their feather dusters - it's pathetic really.

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Thanks for the link, qanda.

Looks good : )