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Who are the 'Deniers' now? : Comments

By Anthony Cox, published 22/4/2013

What should we call global warming activists who claim that global warming is accelerating, despite the evidence?

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Hi Anthony,

This should be interesting? IMHO you will illicit a range of responses from the “new deniers”.

You will get the Little Britain response “Ah but, Yeh but, No but”
CAGW will again be “renamed”, possibly to Climate Research Aprils Projections.
You will be ignored.
You will be bombarded with links that “prove” that their own recanting scientists are wrong.
Your funding associations with “big everything” will be exposed.
You will be “found out” as a non-scientist for even quoting “their” own scientific research.
You will be declared insane.
You will be informed that you don’t understand/ lack intelligence.
You will become the subject of and ABC “Fatwa”.
They will tell you that “Missing Global Heat” has been recently “discovered” hiding in the basement at Flim Flummery’s waterfront property.
Michael Mann will send you yet another “revised” hockey stick.
Ross Garnaut will send you a “revised” economic analysis.
Flim Flummery will “confirm” that CAGW is causing brain shrinkage (his own).
They will offer you EU CO2 emission trading certificates at a discounted rate.
They will remind you that solar, wind, bio-mass and geo-thermal are ideal ways to power your car.
You will be informed that you will be responsible for murdering several future generations of biological life forms.
You will be accused of being misogynist, pedophile, a right wing nut job, capitalist filth and holocaust enthusiast.
They will shift their focus to some other “peak something” to frighten you.

Have a good day
Posted by spindoc, Monday, 22 April 2013 9:03:15 AM
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I'd call those people Blind Freddies. Just because in January Sydney and Hobart recorded their highest ever temperatures since records began. Just because huge chunks of the polar ice caps are slipping away. That doesn't mean it's getting warmer.

I'd take this thesis to the next step and predict an imminent Ice Age. Present your findings to a peer reviewed scientific journal or failing that on talkback radio.
Posted by Taswegian, Monday, 22 April 2013 9:28:09 AM
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Anthony I do hope you have a better grasp of the law, as your grasp on science is tenuous at best. I won't bother to correct you as it will make no difference you have the zeal of a young earth creationist.

Any on lookers should go to a crediable website on the net run by climate reasearch organisation by climate scientist and see for themselves what climate scientists are saying
Posted by Kenny, Monday, 22 April 2013 10:39:06 AM
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Hey Spindoc.

You will be “found out” as a non-scientist for even quoting “their” own scientific research

One already! Well said, I will keep a tally for you :)
Posted by Prompete, Monday, 22 April 2013 12:34:38 PM
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Spindoc you state “They will shift their focus to some other “peak something” to frighten you".

Well this should be an important area of focus given the fact that combined crude oil production of the five main international oil companies (Exxon, BP, Shell, Chevron and Total) hit an historic high in 2004. Since then, it has fallen by 25.8%, despite large increases in investments.

The majors are all facing a decline in their crude oil production, which began in each case before 2007. This comes despite extremely large growth in their investments, allowed by the significant increase in crude oil prices experienced since the late 2000s. Total, for example, has seen its production fall by almost 20% since 2007, although the French giant now has at least 40% more extraction wells.

Consequently, as the known oil fields are getting depleted, production should become more and more concentrated in the major OPEC countries, starting (or finishing) with Saudi Arabia, as well as, to a lesser extent, in the former Soviet Union.

Evidence to date shows the development of non-conventional and extreme sources of oil, in particular shale hydrocarbons, will not be able to change the fact that cheap conventional oil production continues to fall globally.

Some ideas find their basis in fact, while others fall under the category of faith. As it turns out, those that are faith-based are the most difficult to overturn.

Discredit relating to peak oil is nothing but ideology based on ideas that are empirically false.

Such is the ideology of the fossil fuel optimists who tell us that the marketplace will bring forth whatever fossil fuel supplies we need when we need them at prices we like. Some, but not all, tell us that fossil fuel supplies have no practical limits because it is our imagination that brings them out of the ground. Statements like this are part and parcel of the kind of magical thinking that infects the public discussion about the future of energy.

Perhaps you know something geologists don’t? Perhaps you can elaborate on this ideology?
Posted by Geoff of Perth, Monday, 22 April 2013 12:43:06 PM
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Well, we have just lived through the hottest summer on record. And that number is the result of collecting and collating average day and night ambient temps from the whole continent.
And the ice keeps slip sliding away, and in northern climes, taking whole towns with it.
And hitherto completely frozen permafrost is melting, releasing considerable methane as it does so.
I don't know where the author has buried his head? I dare say, some place warm and comfortable perhaps?
But would suggest he pull it out and take a look at the real would, or even 40 odd years worth of comparative satellite photographs.
Yes sure, some people don't want climate change to be happening?
I mean, they may have all their investment capital tied up in coastal property, or as shares in coal mines?
And look, you don't have to be a corrupt labour party member to want to own or trade shares in coal mines, but I guess it has to help?
Along with the mendacious disingenuous, perpetually pontificating pulpit pounding pious pomposity, [never ever and non core promises,] that makes such acquisitions, and or, a political career possible?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Monday, 22 April 2013 12:45:01 PM
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