Poirot I thought this was a discussion regarding climate change, not social policy in India.

It is quite obvious you made a definite decision to avoid reading, &/or understanding the climate gate Mk1 & 2 emails.

No one who read many of those emails could assume anything but that your esteemed "scientists" are nothing but carpetbaggers, desperate to keep their faulty science afloat amidst a flood of proof that it was always wrong, & can not hold water against the latest research.

They may once have had belief in what they were saying, although that would be more wishful thinking actually. Today there is no excuse for anybody, without a vested interest, either financial, or emotive, to continue its promotion.

Your introducing India & other red herrings into the discussion proves your interest is in using the now scam to gain some end, rather than actually believing it.

I think Abbott is being guided by Hunt who is a chronic alarmist and apart from getting rid of the CO2 tax, which he must do otherwise he will look like Juliar, I think Abbott will squib getting rid of the RET and the destructive other legislation.

F&R is a bad paper; looking at their EQUATION 2:

GISS = -91.43 + 1.024Trend + 0.0761MEI(4m lag) + 0.06694TSI.PMOD(1m lag)- 2.334AOD (7m lag)

(1) GISS = 1.024Trend + bx + c

(2) GISS = 1.0Trend + 0.024Trend + bx + c

(3) GISS = (GISS + d) + 0.024Trend + bx + c

(because y = mx + d, where m=slope=trend, d=y intercept)

(4) 0 = 0.024Trend + bx + e

(5) Trend = -(bx + e)/0.024

F&R have not solved for GISS. By including Trend(GISS) as an independent variable they have eliminated GISS. What they have shown is that the Trend in GISS can be fully explained as a linear result of MEI, TSI, and AOD, without any reference to CO2.

If you think I'm wrong in agreeing with that conclusion explain why.

Anyway, this is ironic because Foster has made the same mistake he accused McLean, Carter and de Freitas of making.

The MWP being global? Esper thinks so:

Esper, J. and Frank, D. 2009. The IPCC on a heterogeneous Medieval Warm Period. Climatic Change 94: 267-273

Blow it out yer ear, Hasbeen.

I was responding to a link provided by the esteemed cohenite, written by him and Jo Nova for the Drum, where he was discussing those very points - even mentioning Borlaug...

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/39750.html

Next time you parachute into a conversation, perhaps you should survey the topography a little more fulsomely.

Well Poirot, your most convincing argument yet in your promotion of the fraud.

Come to think of it, you've never submitted an argument, just appeals to very doubtful authority.

You can't follow the maths, or comprehend the English, Mr Cox. Perhaps others can:

http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/6/4/044022/fulltext/

That pesky EQUATION 2 ... got everybody stumped.

qanda; look at Table 1 from F&R; add the linear trend for GISS of 0.167 deg C/Decade to their multiple regressions of each of the independent variables, ENSO (MEI), Solar (PMOD), and Volcanic Aerosol (AOD)along with their lags, as estimated by F&R, and you get this 2nd equation [the first being F&R's multiple regression of only the independent variables]:

GISS = -91.43 + 1.024Trend + 0.0761MEI(4m lag) + 0.06694TSI.PMOD(1m lag)- 2.334AOD (7m lag)

How is that wrong?