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By Junaid Cheema, published 10/10/2012Perhaps we need to think outside the square on Islamic terrorism.
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Posted by Roxy_freddyteddy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 1:02:04 PM
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@Tony
BigBang - "It refers to the rapid expansion of space itself" Yes expansion, it's not some sort of intelligent entity which assembles thing in such a way that the billions of galaxies, trillions of stars swimming around harmoniously. Even the fine-tuning of the planets the way they are means any life is possible, anthropic principal. oxygen to nitrogen ratio in atmosphere if larger: life functions would proceed too quickly if smaller: life functions would proceed too slowly ... Even the axial tilt of the earth if greater: surface temperature differences would be too great if less: surface temperature differences would he too great As i said the amount of coincidences for just a source of life, not even close yet to a human, based on chance is impossible beyond anything. There is absolutely know way that it could ever happen just like that. Intelligent design is everywhere we look. To say it's not intelligent then gather all the most intelligent humans and recreate just a fly using raw elements. They would never even be able to do that. As i said i'll make it simple, everything is all set for life already and get a sperm and an egg and put it in a beaker. Even if u waited a zillion years nothing useful will be there. Why? Because time and natural selection can't work if God doesn't help. You can't just start with a living being and say natural selection. Begin with the raw elements. Even then the pre-conditions as with the anthropic principal already needed to have a zillion coincidences to begin with. I say coincidences as there's nothing intelligent behind backing your proposed process. It's random. Randomness produces randomness, not something useful, let alone a zillion useful things. God did it in such a way that it's beyond any doubt so there would be no excuse. Yet we still have the tiny minority of atheists creating noise. Posted by PeacefulPeace, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 7:18:16 PM
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@Tony - the link for the concept of Anthropic principal many other of the other precise things that needed to occur for just life to occur:
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/intelligent-design/ @Tony: What is there that allows you to select one as right and the other as wrong...: As i mentioned earlier most religions put God in the creation which doesn't make sense as then what created the creation. Based on logic we now know that there are billions of galaxies with trillions of stars and planets, with earth being one of them. We are a spec in a spec in a spec, so to say God is a spec is as you could imagine to God insulting. God reiterates this point in The Qur'an. So for Christians to say Jesus is God, or Hindus to say God is everywhere in the tree etc, God is far removed from this. The Jews tried to kill the messenger (Jesus) when he came to them. God continues to send messengers (Muhammad being the last) as the people went astray yet again. God says every nation was sent a messenger: http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=articles&id=134301 So the remnants are there, but the truth got distorted. God is One, far removed from His creation, nothing is like unto Him. Worship Him Alone. That is the common message that was propagated from the beginning. Example, Christians now claim God is 3, trinity. This was never claimed ever before. Paul who was named Saul before this was a driver of this concept. So the people went astray. As a Mercy God sent Muhammad (pbuh) who was from the Ishmael generation to whom the Israelites were promised a prophet to come from that side. Abraham had 2 wives, Sarah and Hajar, to whom Hajar was the arab side. Prophets are from one lineage all the way back to Adam. Islam doesn't ignore history, like Pharaoh and Moses time where you see there remnants etc. It explains things clearly and logically as you would expect if it's from God. Posted by PeacefulPeace, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 7:30:51 PM
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Afghan girl raped and murdered by US troops:
http://en.trend.az/regions/world/afghanistan/1811269.html Interesting appalling statistic: Statistics about civilian death tolls in Afghanistan are not available. However, it is estimated that between 14,000 and 34,000 Afghan civilians have lost their lives since the US-led war. Where's the Media? Oh that's right selective reporting. Posted by PeacefulPeace, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 8:41:59 PM
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Tony Lavis,
I must congratulate you on persisting with PeacefulPeace. I personally wouldn’t bother but your efforts are appreciated. Maybe you could ask him for the relevant studies in peer reviewed scientific journals supporting the claims of "intelligent design". Or why he parrots from dubious websites instead of directing to those studies. Or why he doesn’t grasp that elements made in stars coalesce into other stars, planets and other bodies and form all kinds of combinations. And how does he make the quantum jump from nonsense about “intelligent design” into Allah did it when Allah is an invention of human minds unless he has empirical evidence that this is not so. You could ask why a perfect being would want to be worshipped. If and when humans eventually invent a sentient robot, it would only be an ego-idiot wanting veneration from it. You might point out the word ‘Pharaoh’ is a title and not the name of a fictitious Egyptian king. And on that subject you could point out the so named Moses and his clan of 3 million were never captive in Egypt. There is no evidence for that. A further question could be why does this perfect being allow natural disaster, genetic aberration, disease etc. kill and maim untold numbers of people. And, of course, why a perfect being would allow the immensity of suffering of other animals, which is in its billions of billions. A final question might be to enquire if he knows that humans can be fooled like this if the right buttons are pushed correctly and for long enough from an early age. It is common and examples abound. Now, you may want to ask him all these things and more but it would be to no avail. PeacefulPeace has had his mind altered to suit the ideas of an ancient cult by methods known to work. David Posted by Atheist Foundation of Australia Inc, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 11:07:39 PM
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And golly gosh, I forgot this. “Yet we still have the tiny minority of atheists creating noise.”
I wouldn’t call over a billion godless a minority. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_in_the_world_are_non_religious And those figures are most likely extremely understated as it can be dangerous to let it be known you are an atheist, especially in Muslim nations and even democratic ones.(think USA) David Posted by Atheist Foundation of Australia Inc, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 11:24:49 PM
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Cheers
Roxy