@Killarney
I have no idea how you made the leap from porn to "cultural pornification" from reading my post. The anti porn campaigners I referred to are campaigners against pornography. If I'd meant those who protest "cultural pornification" I would have said so, because I think these are two separate issues.

I'm not even sure I agree with the "cultural pornification" thing anyway. Some peoples' boundaries are crossed by certain public displays - does this mean the displays are pornographic? I doubt I'd think so. I might think they were aesthetically crass, or boring, or stupid, or really good but pornographic? Probably not what I understand porn to be.

People can protest whatever they want to protest, did I ever say they couldn't? If I argue against a protest I'm not arguing for it to be silenced.

How can you be in a monogamous relationship and not feel entitled to a sexual life within it? Isn't that one of the core agreements?

If I was with a partner who decided they weren't interested in sex with me anymore I'd be devastated. You can't make someone want you when they don't, but I'm pretty sure I'd be negotiating agreements for me to have a sexual life with someone else. It may or may not mean the end of the primary relationship, but if one party changes the core agreements, the whole thing is up for re-negotiation isn't it?

Excellent point, briar rose.

Homo sapiens is such a complicated species with our huge neo-cortex and its accompanying intellect. We instinctively recognise the forces of nature, her cruelty and kindness, her indifference - and we shrink in awe.
Men recognise this power also in women.

Everything men have ever created has been in defiance of the power and mystery of women, and their state of bondage to her.

That's a difficult question Briar Rose. Deciding to have sex with another man because your partner doesn't want sex any more would have to involve a number of decisions.

Why doesn't he want to have sex?
Is it physical illness related, medication related, age related, or because of mental illness?
I would imagine that some women would stand by him if it was any of these problems.

If it was just because he didn't feel attracted to you any more, then I would leave that relationship before considering a physical relationship with another man.

I agree though, that it would be hard to remain in a relationship where a sexual component was missing for one partner or both.

"If it was just because he didn't feel attracted to you any more, then I would leave that relationship before considering a physical relationship with another man."

Fair call but imagine what that decisions like when you are on the wrong side of the gender divide for residency outcomes, property settlements, CSA Payer/payee formula's etc.

You risk losing large parts (or all) of your involvement in your children's lives, losing most of the assets you'd worked towards and most or all of your disposable income for years ahead if it turns out bad.

Your resulting poor financial situation and "issues" with the ex mark you as better to be avoided by a lot of potential partners who may not necessarily be money motivated but don't want those issues in their lives.

Issues over sex being used as a power tool by a partner or just way too infrequently because it's never prioritised over being social director for children take on a different light.

R0bert

Man r0bert she really never put out did she:-) You sound like a broken man, or someone who will never forget the injustice! You should have bought a mankini!

You lot have a very narrow definition of sex. If a guy cant get it up he can please a woman in a multitude of ways. Similarly if a woman can not bear penetration, there are infinite number of ways to get him off.

Is it really so hard? No pun intended, seriously. Yabby's post had the right attitude. If you love someone you want to give them pleasure. Simple as that if there is no more desire to even make an effort you might as well break up. Even if your partner was grotesque, I'm sure you could fetish-ise one passable part of their body. What about their voice? Anyway normally when you love someone you find them attractive.

If there is mismatching libido, well there is self love. And if a guy watching porn is so shattering to a woman's libido I cant have any faith in the emotional intelligence of women. I mean FFS guys seem to be able to handle women with their vibes, I'm yet to hear of a guy threatened by that? All this talk of 'unrealistic expectations' and 'impossible' standards, when the human tongue can only move so fast. But no, guys seem to be able to be adult about it.

I reckon, if a woman does not want to have sex, or even sexually please a man in any way ever, at some level she f*ckn hates him. Or else she's so self absorbed and it's a one-way relationship in every respect. Same for guys.

Now I want you all to go home and surprise your significant other with a massage that has a very happy ending!

Even if all else fails, get on the booze or Coke. Guaranteed leg-opener;-) Even the morning after a night on the disco biscuits has you so desperate for a serotonin hit you're guaranteed to be up for it.