*So what about the women? Didn’t they have to ‘reduce their powerful primate urge’ to travel long distances to find all those seeds and herbs and fruits and vegies - that made up 80% of the food needs of the group?*

I just love Killarney's attempts to reinterpret evolution theory,
through her feminist mindframe. Its highly amusing :)

*while the males lie around in the sun.*

Sheesh, we just had to throw that one in.... I guess there is not much
point in the males doing the hunting, unless there is some reason.

In chimps it is in fact the males that do most of the hunting and
the males who share their meat also are the ones who score the action,
when the females are in oesterus. Bonobo females swop sex for sugar
cane. Pairbonding really evolved in those species, where alot of resources
are required to feed the offspring, like humans.
Males will stick around and help feed the offpsring and given their
love of sex, its a good enough reason to do so. So its a win-win situation.

Food is just one reason, protection another. Given the savannah where
we evolved, having one of the kids or themselves eaten by leopards and
similar, would have been pretty common. Fire was one way to keep predators
away, so a campsite would have been required. Women with a 2 year old
out picking berries, would have been fair game as a snack.

Anthropoligst Helen Fisher thinks that most likely serial pairbonding
evolved, long enough to raise the kid, thus the average divorce time
of 4 years. Many other species do the same. The lifelong thing
only came about, with the advent of agriculture and the plow. Given the
increased investment by males, women thereafter were viewed more
as property.

Poirot, Yabby

OK guys. Sarcasm taken. Bullying intimidation noted. Exclusion obvious. Derailing successful.

I'll get out of your way and leave your pathetic closed minds to remain well and truly shut.

Oh my mind is very much open, Killarney. I just don't rely on
Meerkat Manor to understand evolution theory. If you are really
interested in all this, there is some great work that has been done
in primatology, its just not well known, but there for anyone interested.

Killarney,

"I'll get out of your way and leave your pathetic closed minds to remain well and truly shut."

Could you please point me to the bullying intimidation in my last response to you? http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=13323&page=0#230760

Yabby and I have clashed more times than I care to remember on this forum, he often out-debates me - but I've never accused him of bullying because he got the better of me or thought his mind was pathetic or closed.
Why is it some posters resort to shouting "bully" when they find themselves arguing up a one way street? I think your last post says more about you than it does about our point of view.

left the orgy..cause too much testeytosserterone
and now find the girls leaving

oh well timming is everything

[im noting on my other forum...there is an urge to talk
[about that thing..nice people
dont talk about[let alone
lord forbid..actually do]

what is it with saex
i done some of my best work showing off
to some frilly filly...its true we klike to bring home the meat

but then expect some meaty social intercourse
that recognises us as worthy..or at least not open con-tempt

oph well iwill have a hangover in the morning
but to parrot phrase church hill...i will in the moprning be sober madam

but you maan..will still be

be

be

oh bbc world service is on
gatta go

where did i put my track suit pants
[oh no sorry worse my one 0 one's]
or whatever...*cool people wear

just to throw it out there
bugger is a bad swear word...many use in ignorance

and scumbag..is a second use of a con dumb
[usually turned inside out...[with a mates dna
washed off it..with beer]

so be carefull re potty mouth
just trying to avoid..the acurate words
we cant use..and some abuse..[we should list them sometime]

be a great search honey trap

Returning to the premise of this article, Petra states at one point: "In previous eras, women had a better shot at meeting the ideal."

Although unrealistic ideals are ubiquitous in the modern media, I'm not sure that it points to the crux of the question of pornography in our society.

It seems to me that the very system which has allowed and encouraged the emancipation of women - given them "voice" - is the self-same system that has unleashed a tidal-wave of media expression. Ergo, the emancipation of women = the emancipation of expression, the transmission of ideas and images unfettered by the constraints of the past.

I'm wondering it the twin phenomena are irrevocably entwined - and why, if that is the case, it is overwhelmingly men who are targeted or "blamed" when it's modern consumer/technological society that has spawned these freedoms?