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Palestine - time to tell the truth : Comments

By David Singer, published 22/12/2011

Newt Gingrich has had the courage to come out and say what few others will: the Palestinian people are an invention.

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Jews and Muslims got along amicably in “Palestine/Israel”, Socratese, because the Muslims believe that Jews and Christians are worshipping an outdated form of Islam, and as such they are “of the book”. That means that they can be tolerated, provided that they submit to subservience and pay a special tax.

The Koran is very clear that such people are still sub human, as Allah wrote in his Koran that “I have made non Muslims out of base material.” Seems like Allah and Hitler are getting along fine in the Muslim heaven. As a matter of fact, Hitler even loudly praised the Muslim religion, while the Muslim leaders of his time (and even today) think Hitler was a great man for liking them so much, and exterminating the Jews. Hitler even had a Muslim SS division.

Allah also declared that only Jews and Christians can be tolerated, any other religions are satanistic, and the followers of these religions must either convert to Islam or be murdered. That is why the Hindu’s and Chinese (whom the Muslims call ‘the cow worshippers” and “the dog eaters” respectively.) really don’t like Muslims.

The situation in “Israel/Palestine” is simple, my dear Socratease. Two competing ideologies are fighting over the possession of a miniscule piece of territory. One because they believe that the only way that they can be safe is to have a country of their own where they are not the minority, and the other who think that (like Hitler), wherever a Muslim army sets its foot, that land is Muslim forever, and it is religious anathema to allow that land to revert to non Muslims. Their God would never forgive them.

All the UN resolutions and Balfour declarations are not going to change that. Your problem, is that you think that any human conflict can be settled amicably, once the real culprits are identified and shamed. Sorry mate, that is not going to happen here. It all gets down to the old poem.

The history of the world.
Reveals a simple plan.
He takes who has the power.
He holds, who can.
Posted by LEGO, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 7:24:04 AM
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One of the propaganda lines used by Zionists and their supporters is that Israel is on the front line of an existential struggle between the West and Islam. That, of course, is the 'Big Lie', Israel is, in fact, fighting a colonial war against the Palestinians, rival ideologies are not the cause of the conflict.

In my opinion Islam is a nasty, primitive superstition, however the issue concerns human rights, not ideology. Christian Palestinians are also victims of Israel's oppression.
Posted by mac, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 7:54:23 AM
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the root of religeon lies in scape goating
[killing innocents..for your own sin]

an eye for an eye
creed for greed...we have watched the per-versions..of rite right and ritual...away from the good living loving god..into the material shortermism..of human life times..human fears huh?man delusions...

the leg says...much
revealing little....must know the 'allah'..
he so much demeans...is the same g-d...he claims to be serving in killing gods good creations...

[its seems true..that those
who decry good god[of grace mercy]..
err on the side of insanity...[to kill anything is insane]

all living is sustained its living
by gods will alone...god dont want us dying...'for him'
he wants us to live and let live..[the new law..is..love neighbour...is the only sure way to return gods love]

that ye do to the least
you do to the most
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 8:15:35 AM
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"Christian Palestinians are also victims of Israel's oppression"

Since Israel left Bethlehem to the Palestinian Authority, the Christian population there reduced from 85% to 20%. They now live mostly in South America, half a million Christian Palestinians in Chile alone.

The PLO and other Islamic militant groups routinely entered Christian homes in Bethlehem and its suburbs by force, shooting into Israel from their rooftop, then running away, in order to get Israel shooting back at the Christians.

Now talking about human rights, where is the right of civilians to walk safely in the streets without being shot at random? or to board a bus, go to school or sit in a restaurant without being bombed?

I do not support the Israeli occupation, but the fact is that the Christian minority that remained in Bethlehem silently does (even while they are afraid to say it loud): they were much better off and safer under Israeli rule.

A portion of Israeli citizens are indeed bloody colonialists, but the majority are just fighting for their lives, to survive: they find their predicament to have to fight shoulder-to-shoulder with those colonialists at least as repulsive as you find it to support the Muslim side; and getting the spit from OLO users for what is beyond their control, is just hard on ordinary Israelis as the helpless Christian residents of Bethlehem got the bullets in response to the fire off their roofs.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 8:53:25 AM
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lets agree to dissagree

yu's..quoted quote.."""Christian Palestinians..are also victims of Israel's oppression"...

he refutes
[ignoring that they as xtians...
were ALSO KICKED FROM THEIR HOMES
by israel..!]

saying...the propaganda..""Since Israel left Bethlehem to the Palestinian Authority,..the Christian population there reduced from 85% to 20%.""

so give some proof
[not just from some hard right xtian site run by the mossad]

does this 'reduced'..include those murderd by israel in war
or that died from poisening from phospher bombs..or clustedr bombs in olive fields?

""They now live mostly in South America,
half a million Christian Palestinians in Chile alone.""

details ol brother?

""The PLO""

set up and founded by the mossad

""and other Islamic militant groups"""

not named

REPORTEDLY..""..routinely entered Christian homes in Bethlehem and its suburbs by force, shooting into Israel from their rooftop, then running away,"""

wow...one reason
is only too easy to refute

so mossad sent in fools ith guns
so shoot..to get rid of xtians
by order of mossad telling plo...what to do

too clever ol mate

""in order to get Israel shooting back at the Christians.""

in order to reduce those making claim to their old homes
[apparently..if you leave..your deemed to loose your claim
[well worth the setting up of the plo]

too clever by half mossad

""Now talking about human rights,..where is the right of civilians to walk safely in the streets without being shot at random?""'

lol
the rights of israelies?
not generic human rights..to go where thy want?
live where you chose FOR ALL

your an appoligist..for those who rejected their own messiah
who hate goy....[xtians were forbidden..till paul said it aint so]
in the beginning xtain was jew

but non jew
they are subhuman..[little more than cattle]
goyishe kup

HOW SELECTIVE..the perspecive
""or to board a bus,go to school or sit in a restaurant without being bombed?""

yeah so too the palistinians
regardless of their faith

dont just defend the jew
its ALL EQUAL..or we all loose!
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 9:12:39 AM
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one 'what' under god?

I suspect that I am not the only one who questions this.

You make the claim to be a Christian. There is no evidence whatsoever of Christianity in your posts. Your hatreds are so consuming and irrational, fed greedily with delusional beliefs, that most people would look upon your claim as a 'Christian' as just a peg on which to hang a morbid and sick fixation.

Any person can make a claim to be a Christian, but a true Christian displays evidence of this. You do not.
Posted by Danielle, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 12:23:54 PM
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